Red Diesel / biodiesel - have the exemptions just changed ?

[slim_boy_fat]

That's like saying the tax on alcohol should be extended to all soft drinks because it gives Coca-Cola an unfair advantage.

Don't we currently pay the "sugar tax" on soft drinks?

 

[ukracer]

ok then i will play devils advoate here

red was designed for farming use as they produced crops and collected them

not roads so why should users use it on roads therefore should pay full price

why should builders use it for there diesel gear its not delivering goods or making our food by colection on farms

on heating why should homeowners use red to save money when they themselves arnt producing any benefit other than for themselves

i agree on farm use but not for train use but its been used for Rail transport

other than alot of selfish gains why should people get the benefit of red to be used

Not sure it is fair BUT suddenly a change makes a massive difference to a business at a time from inflation is going nuclear.
There is a much better time to "level" up.
"Red diesel is diesel used mainly off-road, such as for bulldozers and cranes, or to power drills for oil extraction.


The change is intended to promote the use of more sustainable fuels, as part of the UK's 2050 climate targets."

What a load of Tosh. The change is meant to increase tax income for the government so it can give a headline tax cut just prior to the next GE. (They have even started to advertise that fact lol)

 

[ukracer]

I can't see how builders would either benefit from it, or suffer when the price of it goes up? It's just a cost which gets passed on (plus a percentage) to the customer in the same way as concrete, screws, or anything else.

Paying extra means you are less competitive.

 

[equiluxe]

ok then i will play devils advoate here

red was designed for farming use as they produced crops and collected them

not roads so why should users use it on roads therefore should pay full price

why should builders use it for there diesel gear its not delivering goods or making our food by colection on farms

on heating why should homeowners use red to save money when they themselves arnt producing any benefit other than for themselves

i agree on farm use but not for train use but its been used for Rail transport

other than alot of selfish gains why should people get the benefit of red to be used

Red diesel is more expensive than kerosene but is allowed for heating homes, I know people who use it I use kerosene the tax on that is 5% and red diesel is slightly more for people like me in the countryside there is no natural gas so its oil, LPG or electricity. The ban on red goes further than just construction plant it applies to electric generators as well which means that the emergency stand by units at hospitals now have to run on DERV.
(mod edit: political comment removed)

 

[Cato]

Paying extra means you are less competitive.

I'm not in a competition, I'm running a small business. My rate is dictated by my overheads and what I need/want to earn. I quote accordingly and people are welcome to decide to use someone else for whatever reason they want.

Plenty of people out there who charge based on a figure pulled out of the air. They come and go, for obvious reasons.

 

[slim_boy_fat]

as part of the UK's 2050 climate targets

If the island's still 'afloat' by then.

 

[Sean]

20mph limits have been in place all over the UK for many years, what chaos do they bring?

Had it in Edinburgh for years , I think the council were wildly optimistic thinking we could get up to those speeds with the state of the roads.

 

[gaz1]

Yes I get that but why do the garage forecourts have a pump with red, I mean where is the legal market for it in the middle of Bradford?

in the center nope on the outskirts plenty of farm land and loverly green fields views

all depends on where you live

as goes for garage forcourts having a pump well its pull up and fill up the same way

 

[aesmith]

We're right out in the country, but it's rare to find a filling station with a Red Diesel pump, presumably because farms will all have their own tanks. In addition, and this might be just how it's done in Scotland, we have to name and address whenever we buy Red. It used to be only if buying 100L or more, but last few years it applied to any quantity. They also want a registration number, and since our tractor isn't registered they put our car registration.

 

[Kayos]

Quite a few pumps in Bradford, one on Whitehall Road seems popular with taxi drivers, must all have generators at home

 

[aesmith]

Red diesel is more expensive than kerosene but is allowed for heating homes, I know people who use it I use kerosene the tax on that is 5% and red diesel is slightly more for people like me in the countryside there is no natural gas so its oil, LPG or electricity. The ban on red goes further than just construction plant it applies to electric generators as well which means that the emergency stand by units at hospitals now have to run on DERV.
(mod edit: political comment removed)

Hospital generators can use Red. From the second link in the first post ..

Some examples of premises which will not be used for commercial purposes, and for which the use of rebated fuel in electricity generation and heating will be allowed, includes:

• domestic homes
• premises used to deliver central and local government functions or acts of public administration, for example, NHS hospitals, state schools, town halls, public libraries

 

[Parm]

What, like they haven't been for decades?

Quite a few of the young lads round here that work on the local farms use red in the cars. Few of them have been busted too

 

[Parm]

Most cars definitely do not have pedestrian avoidance built in

They do. Its called the driver

 

[8ob]

sorry i agree with it

why should builders or others benefit from cheaper red when it was supposed to be for farming use only

its got to the stage people was using it in cars

its the same with those that heat there homes with red why should you benefit from cheaper red

There was never a "supposed to be for farming" category, legal use included all construction , industrial, power generation and maritime use. All that's happened is the goal posts have been moved and the associated costs will ultimately be passed down the line to........................... wait for it ................................ Joe public.

Bob

 

[fizzy]

There was never a "supposed to be for farming" category, legal use included all construction , industrial, power generation and maritime use. All that's happened is the goal posts have been moved and the associated costs will ultimately be passed down the line to........................... wait for it ................................ Joe public.

Bob

Most definitely.

 

[fizzy]

But they must now be in built-up areas, surely?
20mph limits have been in place all over the UK for many years, what chaos do they bring?
Most cars definitely do not have pedestrian avoidance built in, I can assure you.
Sorry but that entire post is utter nonsense.

Almost 70 per cent of new cars come with active safety tech | Auto Express

Seven in 10 new cars available with crash-mitigating features like auto emergency braking, as accidents fall 10 per cent in five years

www.autoexpress.co.uk

So you see accidents are dropping anyway due to technology.

 

[8ob]

Almost 70 per cent of new cars come with active safety tech | Auto Express

Seven in 10 new cars available with crash-mitigating features like auto emergency braking, as accidents fall 10 per cent in five years

www.autoexpress.co.uk

So you see accidents are dropping anyway due to technology.

The amount of tech the talentless need to stop modern cars getting wrapped around a lamppost or running into people is frightening. What was ever wrong with driving within your limits and a large portion of hazard perception

Bob

 

[Wozzaaah]

Almost 70 per cent of new cars come with active safety tech | Auto Express

Seven in 10 new cars available with crash-mitigating features like auto emergency braking, as accidents fall 10 per cent in five years

www.autoexpress.co.uk

So you see accidents are dropping anyway due to technology.

"70% of new cars are available" does not mean 70% of cars on the road.
As I said, most cars definitely do not have it, I'd say it's actually a very, very small percentage.

 

[fizzy]

"70% of new cars are available" does not mean 70% of cars on the road.
As I said, most cars definitely do not have it, I'd say it's actually a very, very small percentage.

Not at all.
Nearly every hire car I have had has such a system. Everyone I know with a recent new car has it. Even a humble little Toyota Yaris.
Surely making this compulsory would be better than the stupid new speed limiters they are bringing in?

 

[Richiew]

We will tax ourselves to a standstill soon.