Solvent Free = IT DOESNT WORK

[Fiji]

You lot should worry, the bread I buy as had the little plastic tie tabs replaced with cardboard !! AAAARGH !!

 

[steveo3002]

dont worry halloween and xmas around the corner , its totally fine to buy boot fulls of useless plastic cr@p as long as someone is making a quick buck , cant ship it over from china fast enough

 

[dobbslc]

Can you still buy proper creosote?, could do with treating some marine ply I've bought for laying under cars on our gravel drive.

I wouldn't be laying on something that's been creosoted! It pretty nasty stuff.

 

[steveo3002]

yeah bit of varnish or gloss paint would be better , creosote will ruin your overalls and skin

 

[Neilj]

Can you still buy proper creosote?, could do with treating some marine ply I've bought for laying under cars on our gravel drive.

Yes you can but it's restricted to professional use only (no DIY sales) like paint stripper with DCM in it. Last time I bought some DCM stuff off e bay the conversation went like this:
Seller: I can only sell this for professional use, can you confirm you're in the trade?
Me: Yes
End of questions
It'll be the same with creosote, the only thing you'll find though is it 20 litres or larger nowadays, again to try and deter the DIYer.

 

[MattF]

I wouldn't be laying on something that's been creosoted! It pretty nasty stuff.

Honestly. Some are turning into a bunch of girls blouses.

 

[Jixer]

Adhesive which doesn’t stick.

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After 3 days of waiting for it to harden, I just washed it off with hot water.

 

[roofman]

heh everyone used to have pop bottles full of hazardous stuff back in the day lol

Many many years ago one of our mates ran a boozer and at the end of the night we all went upstairs for a p 1ss up...next morning one of the lads was lying in a pool of blood and was rushed to hospital where he died 2 days later. Our landlord mate kept his old beer lines cleaning fluid in old R-Whites lemonade bottles and in the middle of the night the lad had woke up dry as a bone thirsty and necked half a bottle of cleaning fluid thinking it was lemonade

 

[Gritineye]

Will be interesting to find out, its a lot of work preparing floors
for it not to last a reasonable time.

I've just redone my real oak flooring with acrylic floor varnish, it was first done when when I laid it in 1999.

It was still good as new in the rooms that got 3 coats, no flaking or peeling, so just got a quick wash and light sanding .
But in the hall and office where for some reason (lazygit) it only got one coat the wood had got a bit stained and discoloured, I had to sand those bits right back and apply three coats.

So I would say it's actually better and easier to apply than the old solvent base stuff, but if you like a perfect high gloss without brush marks, the it's probably not for you.

 

[maroon]

dont worry halloween and xmas around the corner , its totally fine to buy boot fulls of useless plastic cr@p as long as someone is making a quick buck , cant ship it over from china fast enough

I wonder if when the eventually net the great Pacific garbage patch. Anything that says "made in china" will be going back there

Kind of like committing a crime and leaving your business card.

" right China all this **** belongs to you, you've got your name stamped all over it"

 

[Keithmac]

You'd be hard pressed to come across things NOT made in China soon, even BMW have started production and export from China.

I've come across some things that were very well made, and a lot of very poorly made kit. It depends on what you are willing to pay and how stringent your quality control is as to what comes out of the other end.

"Italian" brands, the likes of Aprilia and Vespa have gone down the Cinese route, Volvo is now owned by Geely etc.

 

[tom2207]

You'd be hard pressed to come across things NOT made in China soon, even BMW have started production and export from China.

I've come across some things that were very well made, and a lot of very poorly made kit. It depends on what you are willing to pay and how stringent your quality control is as to what comes out of the other end.

"Italian" brands, the likes of Aprilia and Vespa have gone down the Cinese route, Volvo is now owned by Geely etc.

Trouble is that soon the shipping costs will make Chinesium products as expensive as the other stuff , but by then the other stuff wont be available ,, then the Chinese can , and will charge what ever they fancy for all the stuff that used to be cheap.

 

[steveo3002]

Trouble is that soon the shipping costs will make Chinesium products as expensive as the other stuff , but by then the other stuff wont be available ,, then the Chinese can , and will charge what ever they fancy for all the stuff that used to be cheap.

its the plan all along eh , when we have no factorys or workers that can do these tasks , they suddenly tighten up and charge what they like and we have no choice but to go along with it

 

[brightspark]

its the plan all along eh , when we have no factorys or workers that can do these tasks , they suddenly tighten up and charge what they like and we have no choice but to go along with it

yep just like the coal gas and oil that we have tons of reserve and all shut down . ohh and dont forget the water electric and gas companys we sold off that make massive profits

 

[ukracer]

The biggest problem...Apart from stupidly high container costs etc is differentiating between garbage and half decent quality.

 

[tom2207]

Greed must be a terrible thing, all these once reputable companies
in or going to china to bring us worse products for more money, the
world must be asleep not see what the end result of having anything
to do with china is going to be, lost customers, lost reputation, higher
prices as the chinese have vast resources they bought or already owned,
they will dictate prices and availability, people just do not understand how
their dealings with china are going to cripple the rest of the world including
their own little patch.

trouble these days is that few people know the difference , so folk go online bargain hunting ,, when things are made down to a price instead of up to a standard , the only person winning is the vendor .

 

[roofman]

Spot on, the sheep in our government here did the same, sold everything,
all our natural resources are gone, the canadian's run our national lottery,
the water was semi privatized, they even sold the rights to harvest seaweed
to foreigners, our forests are a disgrace, they set up a company to run those,
instead of running them they are selling them, huge chunks suddenly become
the property of wealthy individuals, they are not supposed to sell it, they are
supposed to manage the trees, sell them, and replant, but the powers that be
here in Ireland couldn't give a crap. We will probably be out of brown envelopes
soon with the scale of the crookery that goes on here.

don't worry , millions more on way from China...the ones that when licked they don't stay stuck

 

[dobbslc]

They probably won't be the right colour or will be 5% too big or small "due to differences in the cameras"

 

[premmington]

trouble these days is that few people know the difference , so folk go online bargain hunting ,, when things are made down to a price instead of up to a standard , the only person winning is the vendor .

We all from about 2003 onwards - signed up for the race to the bottom quality wise - the internet was born - and everybody was only one click away from a better (lower) price.

Now when you spend more money on an item - you get a badged up - upsold version of the poor quality item at a higher price (sad but true).

We are now in a world market - dependant on cheap imports/energy/labour which are growing in cost. It will be India next when China does not care if they supply us or not!

People cannot get there heads round the scale of mass production in China - they don't have industrial estates of mixed factories - they have Zones the size of English counties just making socks - then other Zones making another single export item. Then they are using the money earned from this to buy the infrastructure of whole other nations. Don't worry about war with China - just prey they don't implement a trade embargo or the west as a whole will just grind to halt.

Hold this thought - You have to go a long way and search long and hard to find something now that is not made in China....

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

Just bean talking to another Fire Extinguishers Engineer.
He is on the Isle of White, as I am.
Replacing the Eco/green/ polar bear friendly extinguishers his company fitted.

The units were rated as 21, in a real world test they failed.
Then they found out it will stain concret, life forms and kills fish.

But is good for washing dogs.