Co2 price hike!

[Brad93]

Another hit to the everymans pocket

 

[123hotchef]

whats that mean in terms of increase for us mere mortals

 

[Brad93]

Just logging on now to look

 

[Brad93]

£4.23 on top of each bottle plus vat presumably

 

[Tom O]

And what is the price of argon maybe just get that?

 

[Brad93]

And what is the price of argon maybe just get that?

You can't MAG weld with Pure argon

 

[optima21]

whats that mean in terms of increase for us mere mortals

it might cost you more for a pint in pub

 

[daleyd]

They shut the CF fertiliser plant at Ince near chester for good earlier this year, it had been shut down since last Sept anyway because of the gas prices. They had a CO2 plant on site there, but it was run by air liquide on a subcontract basis - the CO2 plant at CF Teesside was operated and run by CF themselves.

The guys that worked at Ince reckoned that probably had a part to play in the decision to shut the Ince facility down - the Teeside CO2 plant was more profitable to them than the one at Ince.

 

[roofman]

They shut the CF fertiliser plant at Ince near chester for good earlier this year, it had been shut down since last Sept anyway because of the gas prices. They had a CO2 plant on site there, but it was run by air liquide on a subcontract basis - the CO2 plant at CF Teesside was operated and run by CF themselves.

The guys that worked at Ince reckoned that probably had a part to play in the decision to shut the Ince facility down - the Teeside CO2 plant was more profitable to them than the one at Ince.

Is CO2 a bi product of Ammonia production Dale?

 

[premmington]

it might cost you more for a pint in pub

It might indeed! Co2 is very - energy dependant to produce. But abudant in the atomosphere.

 

[daleyd]

Is CO2 a bi product of Ammonia production Dale?

Yeah - I don’t know the full ins and outs of the process (I used to work there occasionally on their controls systems) but it’s basically a by product of what they produce at CF. They had 4 main plant areas there - NPK, nitric acid, ammonia and another one who’s name escapes me now - the CO2 was siphoned off one or more of those products and piped up to the air liquide place (On the same site just in its own little compound) where it was pressurised and bottled.

 

[123hotchef]

£4.23 on top of each bottle plus vat presumably

that aint all bad

 

[Misterg]

Is CO2 a bi product of Ammonia production Dale?

Have a look at the Haber-Bosch process if interested (we did it for A level chemistry). CO2 is left over from decomposing methane to generate hydrogen.

Nice graphic from the Wikipedia page:

CO2 comes out of the blue pipe bottom centre:

(The Teeside plant (Billingham) is the one that the gov't did a deal with to re-start CO2 production after we nearly ran out of it in Sept 2021)

 

[Gragson]

(The Teeside plant (Billingham) is the one that the gov't did a deal with to re-start CO2 production after we nearly ran out of it in Sept 2021)

There was a big CO2 supply issue during covid for the food/drink manufacturing industry, there would have been some serious lobbying going on.
Work for a pretty big fizzy drinks company, the amount we get through at manufacturing plants in the uk alone is staggering, since the last scare, we now have plan b,c etc but surprising that a source has been shut off given the demand - and knock on cost increase

 

[hotponyshoes]

Price increase on pub kegs of beer today, 3rd one this year.
Some increased by 12%