Etch Primer - but does it contain isocynates?

[Jamesyg]

Good Evening,

I am new to this forum - and new to both welding and spraying.

Getting towards completion on an '79 MG Midget front end, I am just about ready to paint.

My dad has done a fair bit of spraying before, with all paints purchased being cellulose ( for obvious reasons ).

However - the paint shop recommended the following Etch primer, which I purchased without asking to many questions ( with thinners )

http://www.paints4u.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=644

However, having now looked at it, it looks like it may be a 2k primer?

Taking a look at the safety sheet, the following are listed;
NAME
CAS No.: EINECS Nr.:
CONTENT
CLASSIFICATION
PROPAN-2-OL
67-63-0 200-661-7 Xi ,F R-11, 36, 67
10-30 %
XYLENE
1330-20-7 215-535-7 Xn R-10, 20/21, 38
10-30 %
ISOBUTANOL
78-83-1 201-148-0 Xi R-10, 37/38, 41, 67
10-30 %
PHENOL
108-95-2 203-632-7 T R-24/25, 34
0-1 %
ACETONE
67-64-1 200-662-2 Xi ,F R-11, 36, 66, 67

After reading the sticky - the last thing I want to do is do myself, or my dad any damage by using a filter mask. However - does the above contain isocyanates?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[madkayaker]

that seams to me to be 2k so will contain isocyanates

 

[Jamesyg]

I guessed it might be - frustrating - we only have a fine dusting of etch to do, before then using a cellulose high build primer.

Have been looking at these - but understanding the dangers of isocynates Im thinking its probably not worth the risk

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gerson-2K..._Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item518b6a9e6e

 

[madkayaker]

HSE quidance is that only air fed masks are suitable. however some manufactores claim that there products are suitable http://www.srsafety.com/pages.aspx?r_id=30386. i use there productos

 

[Jamesyg]

Thanks Madkayaker.

I'm guessing its going to make more sense to simply purchase a 1K etch primer, rather then either spending a lot of money, or risking our health.

Anyone got a sprayable recommendation? All I can seem to find is brush or aerosol?

 

[the snooper]

no that etch primer does not contain isocyanates it would be listed if it did.
i have some 2k etch primer with no icocyanates, just because its a 2 pack product it doesnt mean it has isocyanates take body filler for instance

it looks as though the thinner is also the activator for that paint

 

[madkayaker]

thats as far as my help goes im afraid! i have used brush etch primer and then sprayed over it but its a military landrover and matt paint!

 

[the snooper]

any product containing isocyanates must be labled as such

 

[Jamesyg]

no that etch primer does not contain isocyanates it would be listed if it did.
i have some 2k etch primer with no icocyanates, just because its a 2 pack product it doesnt mean it has isocyanates take body filler for instance

it looks as though the thinner is also the activator for that paint

That was my thought! Really didn't want to kill the old man however.

Appreciate your help with this guys. ( I did buy the thinner to )

 

[the snooper]

it is also a bit of a give away that the data sheet didnt insist on an air fed mask being worn.

 

[Jamesyg]

it is also a bit of a give away that the data sheet didnt insist on an air fed mask being worn.

Being a total novice - I believed it safter to ask, then assume.

Thank god for forums!

 

[brightspark]

it is also a bit of a give away that the data sheet didnt insist on an air fed mask being worn.

its probably 2k acid etch

 

[Chipper]

Ask them, or find the activator on their site and look at the data sheets, it's that which has the isocyanates in, not the paint itself so it's data sheets won't tell you.

 

[the snooper]

from the data sheet

1 (Etch Primer) : 1 (Activated Thinner)

no separate activator looked at the thinner data sheet no isocyanates

 

[Jamesyg]

Ask them, or find the activator on their site and look at the data sheets, it's that which has the isocyanates in, not the paint itself so it's data sheets won't tell you.

Activator is the thinner - I cant see any isocynates in that either

NAME
CAS No.: EINECS Nr.:
CONTENT
CLASSIFICATION
XYLENE
1330-20-7 215-535-7 Xn R-10, 20/21, 38
10-30 %
PETROLEUM DISTILLATES
64741-84-0 265-086-6 Xn ,F ,N R-11, 51/53, 65
10-30 %
2-METHOXY-1-METHYLETHYL ACETATE
108-65-6 203-603-9 Xi R-10, 36
5-10 %
BUTYL ACETATE
123-86-4 204-658-1 - R-10, 66, 67
30-60 %

Assuming I am reasonably safe to use non air fed protection.

 

[the snooper]

you will be fine using non air fed

 

[Chipper]

Looks good to go, v.similar to my one, as above a decent mask with a good fit should be fine.

 

[superfly]

HSE quidance is that only air fed masks are suitable. however some manufactores claim that there products are suitable http://www.srsafety.com/pages.aspx?r_id=30386. i use there productos

Hi madkayaker,

Do you have an idea of the price of their mask?

Cheers