hi all so i finally did it i went out and bought a welder a gas sealey 130a mig,i needed to buy as im building a 1979 suzuki gs400 bobber (hardtail) i wanted to join this forum as i see many a knowlodgable head on this and hoping to get loads of advice from urselves i hav set up the welder and bought a 250mmx250mm mild steel plate to practice on i will upload some fotos later as the metal is in my shed and u can tell me wat ya think................................jim oh i will be bak on for more advice about tubing etc etc