Bodysnatcher
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Hi anybody know what the best spray gun is for a supposably 4 stage turbine, and more to the point anyone got one for sale THANKS Alastair
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I use a Fuji Spray turbine and you can buy extra guns for that but they are not cheap about £175 and if you want some different aircap and needle sets they are about £40 per set. The guns come fitted with a 1.4mm aircap as standard.
Here's a link I found after a quick google the gun is a Fuji Spray XPC
Gravity Version http://www.axminster.co.uk/fuji-fuji-xpc-gravity-spray-gun-prod810316/?src=froogle
Siphon version http://www.axminster.co.uk/fuji-fuji-xpc-spray-gun-prod810314/?src=froogle
You'll have to email them to see if it will fit the hose type of your existing Turbine system.
Eric.
Here's a link I found after a quick google the gun is a Fuji Spray XPC
Gravity Version http://www.axminster.co.uk/fuji-fuji-xpc-gravity-spray-gun-prod810316/?src=froogle
Siphon version http://www.axminster.co.uk/fuji-fuji-xpc-spray-gun-prod810314/?src=froogle
You'll have to email them to see if it will fit the hose type of your existing Turbine system.
Eric.
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Hi, thanks for the reply the gun that I was thinking of getting is the Apollo ANB300 (none bleeder) £128. But what I'd really like to Know is which gun would be best for spraying old Land Rovers and plastic cars. Which gun would be best for synthetic enamel,or 2K and are turbines any good for this sort of project. I have seen a few wright-ups on turbines for woodwork but none on spraying vehicles. THANKS
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I've done a Porsche and TVR 3000M with mine upto now using 2k base/clear and I'm just starting the restoration of an Alfa Giulia GTJ so you won't have a problem spraying Steel/Grp or Ali bodied cars you just need to use the correct prep and paints to suit the body material (I used different primer and a plasticiser in each coat when doing the TVR as recommended by my paint supplier).
I found that the clear coat would come out with a bit to much orange peel at first you just need to adjust the amount of air or thinners until you get it close enough (do a few practice spary jobs). I tend to spray an extra coat of clear knowing that I will wet flat and polish it.
I would suggest that you also get a flexi whip hose to go between the gun and the main hose as the standard hose is very thick and not very flexible the flexi hose helps alot in tight spaces and doing the roof.
I found that the clear coat would come out with a bit to much orange peel at first you just need to adjust the amount of air or thinners until you get it close enough (do a few practice spary jobs). I tend to spray an extra coat of clear knowing that I will wet flat and polish it.
I would suggest that you also get a flexi whip hose to go between the gun and the main hose as the standard hose is very thick and not very flexible the flexi hose helps alot in tight spaces and doing the roof.
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Hi Eric,
Its time to buy a gun of some description. I've looked at the links you gave (very useful) and it looks a nice gun. Is the 1.4mm air cap (No3) that comes with it suitable for most automotive paints as I read somewhere that its best with a No2 air cap. Also which one gravity 400cc cup or siphon with 1litre. the other spray gun I've been looking at is the Apollo ABN300 but are they any good. I'd love to see a pic of how the TVR turned out. I have a GTN Coupe 2 Davrians and a Land Rover that could do with a lick of paint. Why dont more auto painters use Turbine systems (Is it because the system is crap or the finish is crap or is it because they've never tryed them.)
Hopeing for a few more replies
THANKS Alastair
Its time to buy a gun of some description. I've looked at the links you gave (very useful) and it looks a nice gun. Is the 1.4mm air cap (No3) that comes with it suitable for most automotive paints as I read somewhere that its best with a No2 air cap. Also which one gravity 400cc cup or siphon with 1litre. the other spray gun I've been looking at is the Apollo ABN300 but are they any good. I'd love to see a pic of how the TVR turned out. I have a GTN Coupe 2 Davrians and a Land Rover that could do with a lick of paint. Why dont more auto painters use Turbine systems (Is it because the system is crap or the finish is crap or is it because they've never tryed them.)
Hopeing for a few more replies
THANKS Alastair
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As Chipper mentioned a compressor is a more flexible tool and has other uses. I don't know if the guns from one make of Turbine would fit the hoses from another as they tend to be made by the manufacturer of the unit. I use a dual setup of a compressor for an air feed mask (Spraying 2k) and the turbine for painting as I don’t have enough air to run both.
The advantages of the Turbine over compressed air are as follows you can spray for as long as you have paint in the gun there is no drop off in the quality or quantity of air delivery. There is no moisture or other containments in the air (just keep the turbines filters clean). They are very efficient once you adjust the air flow rate correctly there is virtually no paint wasted.
The air that does come out will be warm though compared to a compressed air system you just have to take that into account and adjust your paint mix , just experiment a bit until you get the correct setup on the gun and with the paint. I only really have a slight problem with orange peel with the final clear coat but saying that it’s still not as bad a some new factory paint finishes. I will spray an extra coat of clear anyway for wet sanding and polishing I’ll see if I can dig up some pictures for you and post them later.
When I was looking for my turbine I also looked at the Apollo’s and they seem just as good just make sure you get a minimum of a stage 3 turbine whoever you go for. The gun of the Fuji has the advantage that you can buy the siphon kit as an extra so you can convert the gun to run as either a 400ml gravity or 1,000ml siphon feed. I've ordered the conversion kit myself as I only just had enough paint with the 400ml setup to complete each coat on the last job. Fuji also offer a whip extension hose which is very useful as the standard air hose is about 1.25 inch in diameter and not easy to move around, the extra length of hose also cools the air that little bit more.
Eric
The advantages of the Turbine over compressed air are as follows you can spray for as long as you have paint in the gun there is no drop off in the quality or quantity of air delivery. There is no moisture or other containments in the air (just keep the turbines filters clean). They are very efficient once you adjust the air flow rate correctly there is virtually no paint wasted.
The air that does come out will be warm though compared to a compressed air system you just have to take that into account and adjust your paint mix , just experiment a bit until you get the correct setup on the gun and with the paint. I only really have a slight problem with orange peel with the final clear coat but saying that it’s still not as bad a some new factory paint finishes. I will spray an extra coat of clear anyway for wet sanding and polishing I’ll see if I can dig up some pictures for you and post them later.
When I was looking for my turbine I also looked at the Apollo’s and they seem just as good just make sure you get a minimum of a stage 3 turbine whoever you go for. The gun of the Fuji has the advantage that you can buy the siphon kit as an extra so you can convert the gun to run as either a 400ml gravity or 1,000ml siphon feed. I've ordered the conversion kit myself as I only just had enough paint with the 400ml setup to complete each coat on the last job. Fuji also offer a whip extension hose which is very useful as the standard air hose is about 1.25 inch in diameter and not easy to move around, the extra length of hose also cools the air that little bit more.
Eric
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Here’s a couple of pics of the Porsche I did last year but they only show the polishing stage before final assembly but gives an idea of the paint finish that you can get as a total amateur. The polyurethane is only there to stop the polish splattering all over the other bits I’ve already polished and isn’t anything to do with spraying 
never use poly sheeting to mask areas off for spraying.
And a couple of the finished car
never use poly sheeting to mask areas off for spraying.
And a couple of the finished car
Bodysnatcher
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Hi thanks for the replies,
I already have a compressor, but like the idea of not running out of air and I thought having warmish dry, oil free air would be an advantage. I have sprayed before but it was 20 years ago (celly). I have bought a turbine (supposeably a four stage) but there is no makers name on it,(case has been painted) It has a small compressor built into the back of the case to run a pressure pot if needed. I have still never see a review of any turbine system for automotive painting. Still not sure which gun to go for, Accuspray,Fuji xpc (on Eric's recomendation} or the cheaper Apollo ANB300. Or save up some more and go for the apollo Atamizer. Is there that much of a difference (there is in price) THANKS Alastair
I already have a compressor, but like the idea of not running out of air and I thought having warmish dry, oil free air would be an advantage. I have sprayed before but it was 20 years ago (celly). I have bought a turbine (supposeably a four stage) but there is no makers name on it,(case has been painted) It has a small compressor built into the back of the case to run a pressure pot if needed. I have still never see a review of any turbine system for automotive painting. Still not sure which gun to go for, Accuspray,Fuji xpc (on Eric's recomendation} or the cheaper Apollo ANB300. Or save up some more and go for the apollo Atamizer. Is there that much of a difference (there is in price) THANKS Alastair
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THANKS Eric for the Pics
There does not look much wrong with that. Did the TVR turn out as good. I do like my plastic cars. Alastair
There does not look much wrong with that. Did the TVR turn out as good. I do like my plastic cars. Alastair
