I looked at the milling machine, what will be the opinions?

[Sergei Slovenija]

Weight 2100 kg, spindle diameter 105 mm, ISO 30, vertical travel 140 mm. Horizontal spindle ISO 40. Y - 200 mm, X - 900 mm. The table can rotate. Full automatic feed in all 3 axes. 5 kW. Electronic ruler included. There are no vise or other tools. You can turn on the mill from the seller.

 

[fizzy]

Looks very nice.
Don't even try to move it on that pallet or it will fall over!

 

[Arc Tourist]

Nice, horizontal and vertical milling capability with the vertical head mounted on the horizontal arbor support giving you extended capability away from the table. It also appears to have a universal table, which can be slanted for taper milling of long cuts. Make sure it has the necessary support for the horizontal arbor included.

 

[Fastdruid]

Not one I've seen before. A google suggests decent quality but no spares once machines get older than 10 years old from the manufacturer means you're entirely reliant on machines being broken up for parts and fairly limited numbers vs other machines may make that tricky. So assume no spares and make sure you're happy with the level of wear and everything functions. You may find some interchangeability with bridgeport machines however, looks a very "bridgeport" head.

Its a similar setup to the Harrison but with a separate motor for the vertical on the top slide rather than using the horizontal spindle. Makes it heavier but more travel and versatile. Downside I'd presume being two motors as well...but if you don't have a horizontal arbor you may be ok to pretty much ignore the horizontal one. Looks like they did a similar one with a horizontal to vertical head as well. As well as a version which is more of a bridgeport design.

I quite like the horizontal/vertical setup....but with no arbor and bearing the horizontal is pretty useless apart from maybe using it as a normal spindle at 90 degrees to the vertical one (which can be useful sometimes).

I'd assume arbor/bearing should be something like this

Anyway, very little info on it. Buy entirely on current condition.

 

[Mikes]

Looks very nice.
Don't even try to move it on that pallet or it will fall over!

That will be fine - its got Luigi's trouser belt holding it on!

 

[Sergei Slovenija]

Make sure it has the necessary support for the horizontal arbor included.

Alas, the ad doesn't mention rigging. An earring (ear) for a horizontal shaft and the shaft itself can be made. I don't see the tilt adjustment of the table (sinus?) The head can be tilted in two coordinates, as well as forward. At the table, I see a scale, like on a lathe support.

 

[Sergei Slovenija]

Not one I've seen before. A google suggests decent quality but no spares once machines get older than 10 years old from the manufacturer means you're entirely reliant on machines being broken up for parts and fairly limited numbers vs other machines may make that tricky. So assume no spares and make sure you're happy with the level of wear and everything functions. You may find some interchangeability with bridgeport machines however, looks a very "bridgeport" head.

Here is his brother

Its a similar setup to the Harrison but with a separate motor for the vertical on the top slide rather than using the horizontal spindle. Makes it heavier but more travel and versatile. Downside I'd presume being two motors as well...but if you don't have a horizontal arbor you may be ok to pretty much ignore the horizontal one. Looks like they did a similar one with a horizontal to vertical head as well. As well as a version which is more of a bridgeport design. View attachment 362964

I quite like the horizontal/vertical setup....but with no arbor and bearing the horizontal is pretty useless apart from maybe using it as a normal spindle at 90 degrees to the vertical one (which can be useful sometimes).

I'd assume arbor/bearing should be something like this
View attachment 362963

Anyway, very little info on it. Buy entirely on current condition.

In the last photo, the model is around 1962. On my version of 1970. Oh, hell, 52 years have passed unnoticed, the mill is a little younger than me, but it looks good on the outside and has not been repainted.

The lack of spare parts is not so scary. Much can be made with uncompromising quality. Lumps of petrified grease can be washed off. Here to scrape the guides, if necessary, this is not an easy job. I ordered a decent mountain of measuring granite and cast iron tools in China, counting on free shipping with an opportunity. If anything, I will have something to measure the geometry.


Here is his brother

 

[Agroshield]

Its Taiwanese close relative is discussed here: https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/threads/so-i-bought-a-mill.120062/

The head seems to swivel both behind and in front of the nodding mechanism.

Make sure it has the necessary support for the horizontal arbor included.

Would you not just bring the ram fully forward and use that as the overarm, with a drop bracket on the dovetails as outboard support bearing? See, e.g. https://easson-vertex.com/product/vertex-horizontal-milling-attachment/ without the right angle gearbox. The drop bracket is not hard to make as you make the dovetail clamp and bore the bearing on the machine itself, so it cannot fail to be aligned correctly.

 

[Sergei Slovenija]

Its Taiwanese close relative is discussed here: https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/threads/so-i-bought-a-mill.120062/

The head seems to swivel both behind and in front of the nodding mechanism.


Would you not just bring the ram fully forward and use that as the overarm, with a drop bracket on the dovetails as outboard support bearing? See, e.g. https://easson-vertex.com/product/vertex-horizontal-milling-attachment/ without the right angle gearbox. The drop bracket is not hard to make as you make the dovetail clamp and bore the bearing on the machine itself, so it cannot fail to be aligned correctly.

In the bronze bearing, you need to make a pocket for oil. With wick or oil cavity with stopper. But first, I'll go and see it. I have a small 40 cm granite slab, two spirit levels 0.02 mm / meter and sets of probes.

 

[Sergei Slovenija]

And I have to drill a lot. A spindle with a stroke of 140 mm will come in handy. Until I come across a drilling machine next to me that I would like to buy. We do not have Germany or Belgium, where there is simply a paradise of old equipment for a ridiculous price.

 

[Arc Tourist]

I have a smaller universal mill where the table has the capability to swivel. You can see this by the locking nut in the center of the table and the brass indexing plate. Also the double oil gage and the adjustable centering stop on the left. The stepped appearance on the table mount attached to the knee of the machine in your picture is a bit blurred, but looks like it has this feature ?

 

[Arc Tourist]

.................................... Would you not just bring the ram fully forward and use that as the overarm, with a drop bracket on the dovetails as outboard support bearing? See, e.g. https://easson-vertex.com/product/vertex-horizontal-milling-attachment/ without the right angle gearbox. The drop bracket is not hard to make as you make the dovetail clamp and bore the bearing on the machine itself, so it cannot fail to be aligned correctly.

The drop bracket is what I meant. Unfortunately, the way my mill is configured I have to remove the vertical head to install the bracket.

 

[James1979]

There’s a couple
Of manuals on passion usinage but not sure they’re 100% your machine

 

[Sergei Slovenija]

There’s a couple
Of manuals on passion usinage but not sure they’re 100% your machine

If it's for Saimp machines, I'd love to see those manuals! How can this be done? Often, time-tested solutions for machine tools (original solutions) could be reproduced for decades, from model to model.

The vertical spindle, as I understood from the Italian forums, is made by another company.

 

[Sergei Slovenija]

The drop bracket is what I meant. Unfortunately, the way my mill is configured I have to remove the vertical head to install the bracket.View attachment 363003

From the planned initial 24 meters, the new workshop will grow to 42 m2. Plus, the second floor is 18 m2 for an electrician. We will have to move another 6 m3 of crushed stone and asphalt and move the place of the foundations to another place. And there will be a place for a one-armed crane with a lifting capacity of ~ 500 kg and with a long arm of about 4 meters. He will be able to serve both a lathe and a milling machine. Im just need to do it, period.

 

[Sergei Slovenija]

I have a smaller universal mill where the table has the capability to swivel. You can see this by the locking nut in the center of the table and the brass indexing plate. Also the double oil gage and the adjustable centering stop on the left. The stepped appearance on the table mount attached to the knee of the machine in your picture is a bit blurred, but looks like it has this feature ?View attachment 362998View attachment 362999

There is such a photo

 

[Agroshield]

The drop bracket is what I meant.

Thanks for the picture. The one you have would be a good pattern from which to fabricate a missing one. For the oil supply, drill straight through horizontally and plug the back. Then drill straight through vertically to intersect the horizontal hole and plug the bottom (top in the photo). The holes provide a reservoir of oil and you could use a 90 degree fitting, a transparent extension tube and a cap on the outside.

 

[Agroshield]

How can this be done?

Start here: https://passion-usinages.forumgratuit.org/

Go down and you get to here: https://passion-usinages.forumgratu...tils-manuels-docs-machinery-manuals-brochures

Choose 'fraiseuses (mills)' and the makers are in alphbetical order (Saimp is on page 5 of 6).

 

[James1979]

Beat me to it.

Thanks @Agroshield

 

[Arc Tourist]

There is such a photo

View attachment 363032

This is a very versatile machine.