Spraypainting commercially -legislation

[fran9r]

I'm a bit concerned...well no I'm very converned, that a new business has moved into the unit next door, and began spray painting. No oven or seemingly extractors, and out business units are joined together.

Before I go and have a word, does anyone know the legislation surrounding this area?

I'm all for someone doing this (I want to myself), but feel the safety of others should come first.

 

[mike os]

Afaik spray painting & any other similar operation is highly regulated

they should have fully enclosed spray booths with vapour/solvent and particulate filters etc

old firms may get away with it but any new business should be fully compliant

 

[rtbcomp]

As Mike says, there are very strict rules and regulations.

The local council would be interested from planning and environmental viewpoints and the Health & Safety Executive would like to know what's going on as well.

A word in their ears will elicit a "routine" visit.

 

[series2]

As Mike says, there are very strict rules and regulations.

The local council would be interested from planning and environmental viewpoints and the Health & Safety Executive would like to know what's going on as well.

A word in their ears will elicit a "routine" visit.

What he said!

Give the local environmental health a ring. Whatever they are spraying it's unlikely to be harmless, but it could be something nasty like 2k.

I, personally would go straight to the authorities, as if you speak to them they will just pack up 'till after the visit.

 

[fran9r]

Thanks, I'll do just that.

I'm certain it's going to be 2 pack as it's cars they are spraying (should have said, just realised I didn't).

 

[Shug]

If its a new business spraying cars they should be using waterbased. People were only supposed to use up existing supplies of 2k, not buy more in. Its a bit heavily frowned upon these days.

 

[langy]

The lacquer is still 2 pack though.

If its a new business spraying cars they should be using waterbased. People were only supposed to use up existing supplies of 2k, not buy more in. Its a bit heavily frowned upon these days.

 

[jordan1]

If its a new business spraying cars they should be using waterbased. People were only supposed to use up existing supplies of 2k, not buy more in. Its a bit heavily frowned upon these days.

I understand water based is far inferior to solvent based 2k, so I can't see bodyshops using it until it improves.

 

[the snooper]

I understand water based is far inferior to solvent based 2k, so I can't see bodyshops using it until it improves.

some bodyshops are already using it

 

[langy]

Waterbase has been used for quite a few years now, the backyard boys don't like it because you need specialized equipment to use it.

Only the basecoat is water based, the lacquer is still 2 pack

 

[Chickenjohn]

Mercedes Benz were one of the first manufacturers to use water based in the mid 1990's and guess what! Many 1996 on Mercs have a terrible reputation for rust! Yes, some of the problem was due to cost cutting, but I think some was due to problems with water based paint adhesion.

Mercedes have apparently 'fixed" those problems, time will tell.

The environmental benefits of "water based" are minimal, at best, possibly miniscule as the etch and primer coats are still 2K based/uses some solvent, also the clear coat is still 2K based and contains solvent.

So called "water based " paint job then looks like this:-
etch primer, solvent based
2K primer containing some solvent
colour coat based on water
2K clear coat containing solvent

this is even for solid colours

wheras a 2K solid system would look like this:-
etch primer, solvent based
2K primer containing some solvent
2K colour coat containing solvent

So for solid colours the same amount of solvent is emitted! Where is the sense in that??? Like most so called environmental improvements is it largely image and little substance. The idea of "Water based" paint sounds great, but in practise not so.

 

[Kafer_meister]

Mercedes Benz were one of the first manufacturers to use water based in the mid 1990's and guess what! Many 1996 on Mercs have a terrible reputation for rust! Yes, some of the problem was due to cost cutting, but I think some was due to problems with water based paint adhesion.

Mercedes have apparently 'fixed" those problems, time will tell.

I've recently had to weld a replacement set of those upper spring perches on a Merc E-Class. for a 1997/98 car it's got a worrying amount of rust. I think to blame the paint is unfair though, the build quality at Mercedes at that time was woeful! Those spring perches are paper thin and help on with 11 spot welds.

 

[Dune]

Chicken john, I can back you up on that. Ive just had to get rid of my merc (it had done 200k though) as it was falling apart underneath. The rest of the car was spot on.

As for the original discussion. Dont go and see them, you dont want anyone taking exception when the inspectors do come round. Just inform the council and let them do what they are paid to do.