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Never head of a 20 mph rule?
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Worth knowing thanks for increasing the info and wozz for the PDF
http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=376937&postcount=20
There is a place that will sell you towing a frame plans see above post on the a frame thread.
There is a place that will sell you towing a frame plans see above post on the a frame thread.
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What about those A Frames that fix to the underside of a car, So you tow the car with all 4 wheels on the ground?
Surely that would be easier to make, and it don't need to be braked i think
Surely that would be easier to make, and it don't need to be braked i think
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But its not a trailer as such, The trailer part would be the dolly and wheels, the 750kg weight would be the car.
As your not resting the car on a trailer or anything its simply a towing device to tow your car? Surely, I might be wrong
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a towing A frame attached to a car is classed as a trailer so unless all the requirements of a trailer are met then wozz's pdf is in force. and before motorhomes and smart cars are mentioned that an even darker shade of grey!
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Yes Gerry, you are....and don't call me Shirley!
How can it not be classed as a trailer when it's towed behind a car?
Have a read of that PDF I linked to, all will become crystal.
Ok Shirl, Sorry about that, Its just the A Frame is not a Trailer, and towing a car don't make it a trailer, its still a car Surely Shirley
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Ok Shirl, Sorry about that, Its just the A Frame is not a Trailer, and towing a car don't make it a trailer, its still a car Surely Shirley
I stand corrected Sorry guys
That's ok Sherry...oops, I mean Gerry.
The A frame mounted on the towbar on it's own is NOT a trailer but as soon as you mount a car on it the car and A frame become a trailer and are therefore covered by the rules set in that PDF regardless whether it's two or four wheels on the ground.
I don't think there's anything grey about any of it, seems pretty straightforward to me.
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That's ok Sherry...oops, I mean Gerry.
The A frame mounted on the towbar on it's own is NOT a trailer but as soon as you mount a car on it the car and A frame become a trailer and are therefore covered by the rules set in that PDF regardless whether it's two or four wheels on the ground.
I don't think there's anything grey about any of it, seems pretty straightforward to me.
How about the Sherry and Shirely Christmas Special, We could give those old ladies on the wonga ads a run for their money
You do get A-frames that are braked. They use a hydraulic master/slave cylinder arrangement to press the brake pedal on the towed vehicle. Problem is IIRC the recent updates to the law on trailers made them irrelevant as they state that the braking effort on all wheels of a trailer must be equal. Very few cars apply the same braking effort to the front and rear wheels so they still ain't legal.
Of course I might have an A-frame that I use on occasion to shift all sorts of stuff for all sorts of reasons. Generally common sense on using it for short distances with a sensible combination of towing and towed vehicles keeps it safe in the real world. Obvious effort to keep it looking right (proper light board, on tow sign etc.) has always kept the authorities that I've passed either ignorant of the fact that they could pull me over and make my life miserable or it's satisfied them that although I might not be within the letter of the law I'm following the spirit of it.
You however takes your chances.
Iain
Of course I might have an A-frame that I use on occasion to shift all sorts of stuff for all sorts of reasons. Generally common sense on using it for short distances with a sensible combination of towing and towed vehicles keeps it safe in the real world. Obvious effort to keep it looking right (proper light board, on tow sign etc.) has always kept the authorities that I've passed either ignorant of the fact that they could pull me over and make my life miserable or it's satisfied them that although I might not be within the letter of the law I'm following the spirit of it.
You however takes your chances.
Iain
I have an ex AA Intertrade A frame that is braked, it uses a cable and frame that you secure to the front seat of the towed car. Then on the over run the cable activates a lever to push the pedal. I must admit I have never towed anything on the road with it. A friend of mine towed a car back from Ireland with the same one(we bought them cheap at auction)
Looking at their website they don't seem to mention braking anymore.
There are rules and reg with trailers and stuff like this. Some of which are completely unenforcable. Example it is illegal now to build a trailer using vehicle axles and brakes but there are 1000s of old trailers out there.
If building something like this then the only thing I would say is to make sure it is over engineered. In this day and age they will throw the book at you if something was to break and cause an accident, not to mention the thought of someone getting hurt.
Looking at their website they don't seem to mention braking anymore.
There are rules and reg with trailers and stuff like this. Some of which are completely unenforcable. Example it is illegal now to build a trailer using vehicle axles and brakes but there are 1000s of old trailers out there.
If building something like this then the only thing I would say is to make sure it is over engineered. In this day and age they will throw the book at you if something was to break and cause an accident, not to mention the thought of someone getting hurt.
