Log burner in workshop.

[4String.]

Folks.

I'm planning to spend a lot of time in the workshop this winter and was pondering installing this to keep me warm:



It's only 4 years old and we had it fitted new in the house but OH just couldn't get on with it () so it was swapped for a Hunter Herald, same as we had in our last house and a much more pleasant piece of kit. The rust around the top was caused by the cowboys who fitted it badly causing the rain to get in down the flue pipe but other than that there's nowt wrong with it, and having it in the workshop would keep me warm as well as getting the damn thing from under my feet in the shed where it's been languishing for the last 3 years.

The only place I can realistically fit it is where this drawer unit currently sits, under the chop saw:




Pipework will run up the wall and out behind the saw through what used to be a window, the wall being originally part of a cottage that was attached to the house 100-odd years ago, and will exit roughly halfway between the top of the blue bin and the fascia board:



This is not something I've attempted before and I haven't really got the time for it so I'll get someone in to drill the hole in the wall, mainly because it's made from Weardale stone which makes granite look soft . Fuel won't be a problem courtesy of my being a wagon driver and the stove will only be on for a few hours over the weekend and won't be hot enough to melt steel but any thoughts or advice regarding the plan would be most welcome.

 

[octo0072000]

it's a no from me under a wood bench just a fire hazard

 

[gaz1]

the set of drawers for it isnt enough as you need enough space around it for clearance unless your going to use the cool side method

you will also loose anything above it

i gather you have a good source of wood or coal as your shed looks uninsulated and a large space

you will need to protect your roof from the heat of the flue otherwise tou will melt it with twinwall and you will need to be higher than the apex point which means your chimney straping

edit : noted the job reference but when you retire wheres your wood coming from

i have the same amount of space as you but i have a low point with the rocket stove with less heat output 300f with the exhaust and i get to use spiral tube and its infront of plastic guttering

 

[8ob]

I would junk the rack by the door and build a floor to ceiling fireproof/retardant alcove for it to sit in, you could reinstall the rack on the side of the alcove.

Bob

 

[gaz1]

I would junk the rack by the door and build a floor to ceiling fireproof/retardant alcove for it to sit in, you could reinstall the rack on the side of the alcove.

Bob

if he uses the cool wall method he will gain a blow out system that uses just convection instead of a fan

 

[Screwdriver]

I used to have a wood burning stove in my workshop. There were a number of issues beyond the obvious problem of having a raging fire inside a shed full of petrol.

It got hot. I mean seriously warm even in mid winter. The single location made that a hot spot so you would bake at one end and freeze at the other. You'd need to really carefully think through how that heat is distributed which I think is primarily a location issue. The room should be built around a fireplace not v.v. (course you could set up a back boiler and vented radiator system).

You have to feed the damned thing constantly. Not such a big problem, actually quite fun but that's problem 3.

It is fun! I spent many an hour whiling away the time sitting in front of the stove, not doing any work!

 

[gaz1]

I used to have a wood burning stove in my workshop. There were a number of issues beyond the obvious problem of having a raging fire inside a shed full of petrol.

It got hot. I mean seriously warm even in mid winter. The single location made that a hot spot so you would bake at one end and freeze at the other. You'd need to really carefully think through how that heat is distributed which I think is primarily a location issue. The room should be built around a fireplace not v.v. (course you could set up a back boiler and vented radiator system).

You have to feed the damned thing constantly. Not such a big problem, actually quite fun but that's problem 3.

It is fun! I spent many an hour whiling away the time sitting in front of the stove, not doing any work!

that might be the thing with a normal stove but not with a rocket stove as uses alot less wood yet produces loads of heat

whilst the older type stoves suffer from as you say all heat is in one area the new stoves that use convection distribute air alot better and some use stove fans to push the heat further away

im aware that one rocket stove will heat an insulated area 2000 squ.ft and insulated its a stick built, Insulated 2x6 walls 10 ft high. in canada dosnt use electric and all of the shop gets equal heat instead of a noisey fan cycling on and off

as goes for sitting infront of the stove yeah been there myself enjoy watching the dancing flames from stoves

as goes for the petrol that got moved to another shed as id rather that stuff be stored in a concrete storage area

 

[addjunkie]

Priceup the twin wall flue bends an all. This may make you look at the benefits of a Chinese diesel heater

 

[Barking Mat]

I'd want at least, at least 50cms clearance all round it.

Under a wooden bench is a huge no, no.

Some years ago I built a pine work surface, next to the Rayburn.

One evening it caught fire.

Had to get the cordless to dismantle it as I'd attached it too well the wall.

 

[James1979]

You can go down to 50mm (Scotland regs - England may differ) with cement board.

That’s what I’m doing in the kitchen at moment. Going with 100mm to be sure though.

I’d do as @8ob suggests

 

[gaz1]

You can go down to 50mm (Scotland regs - England may differ) with cement board.

That’s what I’m doing in the kitchen at moment. Going with 100mm to be sure though.

I’d do as @8ob suggests

why do that you might as well fit steel sheet to the inside of the fireplace and use the convection side of it to spread the heated air further around the room

the steel sheet acts like the fibre board but you gain much more than that due to the convection of heated air

 

[James1979]

why do that you might as well fit steel sheet to the inside of the fireplace and use the convection side of it to spread the heated air further around the room

the steel sheet acts like the fibre board but you gain much more than that due to the convection of heated air

Because i don’t have a fireplace

Because I don’t want a steel sheet in the kitchen

Because by the time I’ve put a steel sheet (which I don’t want anyway) on standoffs to get it the required distance from the wall I’m nearly at the 50mm anyway.

I brought it up mainly to say that you can go to 50mm if you need to with the right backing, which is what bob suggests.

I’m not a stove fitter, I assume you are? I think of you made a steel box within a wood box, under the OPs workbench, it would get stupid hot?

The stove fitters handbook
Is a good read @4String. and the bloke who wrote it is good for phone advice. Near you I think. Nice chap.

 

[Barking Mat]

Some modern asbestos type stuff ???

Another issue is smoke alarms, a Pita, with smoke.

 

[James1979]

Some modern asbestos type stuff ???

Another issue is smoke alarms, a Pita, with smoke.

Yeah I can’t remember the brand name of it but it’s cement board or fibre board. Cheap as hell. Sub £20 a sheet. That was pre Rona mind. I went on the afternoon of 22 march 20 and maxed out my account at the supplier- thought I may have been off a while

Here you can have a thermal head alarm instead of smoke but you must have a co2 in the same room.

 

[addjunkie]

You can go down to 50mm (Scotland regs - England may differ) with cement board.

That’s what I’m doing in the kitchen at moment. Going with 100mm to be sure though.

I’d do as @8ob suggests

The distance depends on the make of fire, some can go to 50mm others are far more, depends on stove construction and fire bricks inside etc.

 

[James1979]

The distance depends on the make of fire, some can go to 50mm others are far more, depends on stove construction and fire bricks inside etc.

Also depends on what’s under the fibre board.

The stove fitter who’s overseeing my install reckoned you can double
It up as well if you need to.

There isn’t a HETAS guy on Orkney but the chap over the water who did my mothers has been very helpful and will be coming over to sign it off.

I’m just following his guidance as well as trying to learn a bit.

I’m taking every minimum as just that and trying to exceed it by as much as possible where I can.

Edit - typo

 

[Barking Mat]

It's one of those situations, regarding insurance I guess, what's the worst case scenario, it burns down whilst you're out ?

Your insurance company will laugh at you if it's not installed by a professional to sue for liability, and you'll be left with nothing.

Me, I do it all myself.

That's life.

 

[James1979]

You can in the UK (I think, not just Scotland) get Building Control to sign it off if you do it yourself.

It doesn’t have to be your property either. So if you learnt it on the tube and put it in you can pay “a reasonable fee” (stop laughing at the back!) and the inspector will come and look and do the paperwork.

Not sure if it works like that in France

 

[James1979]

This guy 4string

Installing a wood burning stove

The guide to buying and installing a wood burning stove. What size to buy? What brand is best? How to choose an installer? What installation materials are needed and at what cost? And much more.

www.stovefitterswarehouse.co.uk

 

[8ob]

You can in the UK (I think, not just Scotland) get Building Control to sign it off if you do it yourself.

. So if you learnt it on the tube and put it in

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