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But with badged tools do you not have a better guaranteed item ??
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If sold in the UK, aren't the warrantys governed by statutary rules?
Sort of... There's the EU statutory 2 year thing although we already had the consumer goods act which says something along the lines 'goods must last a reasonable amount of time and claims can be made for upto 6 years from purchase'
The important bit however is that in the first 6 months it's upto the retailer to prove that fault was caused by misuse/abuse etc but after 6 months it's up to the buyer to prove that it's inherent fault
I'm well out of date with the bike world but back in the nineties shortly after 853 first appeared one of the (probably Taiwanaese) factories that made frames for (i want to say Sunn but can't remember) a well known brand were knocking out unbranded versions for peanuts, talking painted frames for less than an 853 tubset would cost a small UK builder
It can be a bit of blurry line but the example above and the cheap carbon frame by the sounds things are more akin to piracy than what Brightspark is talking about... buying generic kit, branding it up and selling it
The important bit however is that in the first 6 months it's upto the retailer to prove that fault was caused by misuse/abuse etc but after 6 months it's up to the buyer to prove that it's inherent fault
I'm well out of date with the bike world but back in the nineties shortly after 853 first appeared one of the (probably Taiwanaese) factories that made frames for (i want to say Sunn but can't remember) a well known brand were knocking out unbranded versions for peanuts, talking painted frames for less than an 853 tubset would cost a small UK builder
It can be a bit of blurry line but the example above and the cheap carbon frame by the sounds things are more akin to piracy than what Brightspark is talking about... buying generic kit, branding it up and selling it
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CP? For the life of me, the penny won't drop as to what brand that is.
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chicago pneumatic
also consolidated pneumaticI've bought a fair few tools for my workshop over the years and really struggle to find anything inbetween mega expensive (Snap-on) and cheap not so good (Clarke)
For sockets and "basic metal" I tend to use Laser or Sealey but buy online as it costs a fortune from my local motor factors even with trade discount.
I get fed up with Sealey for workshop eqpt though as most of their stuff looks identical to Clarke and costs twice as much
For actual tools I often by secondhand now, all my panel beating dollys, hammers, files etc were all 2nd hand.
Bought a new Clarke air impact gun and it wouldn't shift a wheel nut torqued up above 80Nm, took it back, MM sent it off, came back "stripped & tested ok", still wouldn't shift a wheel nut. Bought a used Snap-on & its brill.
My learning is to be smart what you buy from where, if its "machinery" that will get heavy use I try to buy the best (second hand).
Anyone used the "kennedy" or "Kobe" brands from Cromwell, mid range on price but not sure on quality?
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MM
For sockets and "basic metal" I tend to use Laser or Sealey but buy online as it costs a fortune from my local motor factors even with trade discount.
I get fed up with Sealey for workshop eqpt though as most of their stuff looks identical to Clarke and costs twice as much
For actual tools I often by secondhand now, all my panel beating dollys, hammers, files etc were all 2nd hand.
Bought a new Clarke air impact gun and it wouldn't shift a wheel nut torqued up above 80Nm, took it back, MM sent it off, came back "stripped & tested ok", still wouldn't shift a wheel nut. Bought a used Snap-on & its brill.
My learning is to be smart what you buy from where, if its "machinery" that will get heavy use I try to buy the best (second hand).
Anyone used the "kennedy" or "Kobe" brands from Cromwell, mid range on price but not sure on quality?
Cheers,
MM
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quite a lot of there stuff is good quality. a few items arent up 2 the mark like copys of moor and wright stuffI've bought a fair few tools for my workshop over the years and really struggle to find anything inbetween mega expensive (Snap-on) and cheap not so good (Clarke)
For sockets and "basic metal" I tend to use Laser or Sealey but buy online as it costs a fortune from my local motor factors even with trade discount.
I get fed up with Sealey for workshop eqpt though as most of their stuff looks identical to Clarke and costs twice as much
For actual tools I often by secondhand now, all my panel beating dollys, hammers, files etc were all 2nd hand.
Bought a new Clarke air impact gun and it wouldn't shift a wheel nut torqued up above 80Nm, took it back, MM sent it off, came back "stripped & tested ok", still wouldn't shift a wheel nut. Bought a used Snap-on & its brill.
My learning is to be smart what you buy from where, if its "machinery" that will get heavy use I try to buy the best (second hand).
Anyone used the "kennedy" or "Kobe" brands from Cromwell, mid range on price but not sure on quality?
Cheers,
MM
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Cheers.
It's been bugging the life out of me trying to figure it out, each time I view this thread.I found this when look for an air-impact driver. I had a cheap & nasty unbranded one (about £20 worth) but it struggled with tight bolts so I wanted a better one.
As you mentioned, there was very little between the unbranded and the £200+ professional items. In the end I bought a £50 sealey one. It's better made, more reliable (doesn't stick) but it's actually slightly less powerful...
chicago pneumatic
For a long time Snap on air tools used to be rebranded and price inflated Chicago Pneumatic stuff. Don't know if it's still the case.
Years ago I bought a CP 1/2" air impact wrench new for just over £100 my mate was gutted that he'd paid four times the price for the Snap on version.
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We use Kennedy & Kobe gear at work and it stands up to production work quite well, they usually fail due to physical abuse e.g. dropping air tools and breaking housings/castings.
I aways prefer to buy quality used old machinery and tools old britool..elora..kingdick..for modern I like teng tools an they have lifetime replacement on sockets and ratchets..Im on my second!Air tools are a minefield of rebadged stuff .I have some cheap Am-Tec stuff thats copied from Sealy..which is probably also copied..
FACOM is good too.
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Same here. Snail Brand is another one I seem to keep appropriating on top of the others too. Only problem with collecting the old stuff is the amount of cleaning some of it needs. My pile of tools waiting for the electrolysis bath keeps growing.
Gonna have to get that up and running again.What's the Desoutter pneumatic kit like, quality wise, btw?
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quality stuff been on the market yearsSame here. Snail Brand is another one I seem to keep appropriating on top of the others too. Only problem with collecting the old stuff is the amount of cleaning some of it needs. My pile of tools waiting for the electrolysis bath keeps growing.
What's the Desoutter pneumatic kit like, quality wise, btw?
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quality stuff been on the market years
Cheers.
Keep seeing that kit on Ebay, and I'm taking quite a liking to some of the older style pieces. Didn't want to risk taking a punt if they weren't as good in reality as their reputation though. 