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BrilliantHow come so many ecological scientists hang about a welding forum every night?
Plus still probably arguing who’s going to pedal the generator to power the welder
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Plus still probably arguing who’s going to pedal the generator to power the welder
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The data is right there in front of you, just because you took a position in 2001 and continue to say nah nah nah it’s not real doesn’t mean you are correct. You make no reasonable case that it isn’t real apart from you don’t believe it. There are folk who actually are experts on the topic and have extensively researched it, so yeah they are more credible and believable than folks like yourself who aren’t.
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I'm taking the devils advocate on this one.... 
In the first line you say ... " extremely likely " , so to me that implies they are guessing 5% You couldn't make a moonshot with 5% error .
Yes human activity will to some degree produce heat or an insulating blanket of fumes/ gasses & dust.
Doesn't the cold rain formed in clouds wash that down out the atmosphere & the gasses / fumes fall back to earth being absorbed by the beginnings of rain when they meet the extreme cold of the high altitudes .
Poles melting yep , what do you expect when thousands of tons of soot particles from ships passing by turns them black & allows them to warm & melt
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Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position.
In the first line you say ... " extremely likely " , so to me that implies they are guessing 5% You couldn't make a moonshot with 5% error .
Yes human activity will to some degree produce heat or an insulating blanket of fumes/ gasses & dust.
Doesn't the cold rain formed in clouds wash that down out the atmosphere & the gasses / fumes fall back to earth being absorbed by the beginnings of rain when they meet the extreme cold of the high altitudes .
Poles melting yep , what do you expect when thousands of tons of soot particles from ships passing by turns them black & allows them to warm & melt
In its Fifth Assessment Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of 1,300 independent scientific experts from countries all over the world under the auspices of the United Nations, concluded there's a more than 95 percent probability that human activities over the past 50 years have warmed our planet.
I chose not to believe obvious political propaganda or ridiculous conspiracy theories. There needs to be credibility.
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Ok find me the data on rising sea levels ...
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Knock yourself out.
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For someone who has read the data you should know where it is surely? Are you saying sea levels haven't risen or you just don't believe they have? Can you show me the data to prove sea levels haven't risen? Can you show me the data that ice caps haven't shrunk? Can you show me data to show temperatures haven't risen? Can you show me the data that the oceans aren't more acidic? Works both ways this proof thing. :-)
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Also, I tend to focus on a specific, highly detailed issue when checking sources and not (as above) a sort of hand waved in the air general overview.
Those links contain the dry as ditchwater published papers and links to all the sources and data. I am merely sharing these as example sources so that you can build your own reference library. These papers a more like a dictionary when you want to find a specific word and not a book to be read from cover to cover.
Those links contain the dry as ditchwater published papers and links to all the sources and data. I am merely sharing these as example sources so that you can build your own reference library. These papers a more like a dictionary when you want to find a specific word and not a book to be read from cover to cover.
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We have an old (1987) oil fired boiler. In the next year it will likely be relocated. Was serviced last week "working great" but "probably won't like being moved".
So do we buy a new, 'efficient' boiler which will "not last anywhere near as long" or move the old one and nurse it through?
Which will make me look best in other people's eyes, and which will actually be best for the planet?
NB. Our heating is on for about 5 hours a day, 6 months of the year. Thermostat around 18.
All quotes are by the boiler man.
So do we buy a new, 'efficient' boiler which will "not last anywhere near as long" or move the old one and nurse it through?
Which will make me look best in other people's eyes, and which will actually be best for the planet?
NB. Our heating is on for about 5 hours a day, 6 months of the year. Thermostat around 18.
All quotes are by the boiler man.
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ok my last post on this subject...
none of those papers show the raw data or source of info, i didnt ask for papers, there are hundreds of them ... DATA! not speculation
Just a quick skim of the above:-
seal level changes 4cm/100 years, 2m in 100 years, 750 to190cm in 100 years.... which one is correct because 2 of then cant be... unless you are applying the theory that the gospels of Mathew mark and like differ because they were written by different people but are all accurate? last one also adds that ground water disturbance may add as much as the first arttributes to agw.....
I am not anti gw or even agw... but **** science is just that... agw is more a political tool than science and the IPCC are among the worst offenders.
Actually i take that back i am anti GW... i am however convinced that the climate of this planet is 4.5 bn years old, has been changing daily since then and we are looking at 100 years of it, (100 years of very incomplete and badly manipulated data in some cases) that we have studied reasonably hard in the last 30 or so years and now claim to be able to totally understand it.
just something to ponder... at some stage in the recent past most/ a large part of the northern hemisphere was part of the arctic ice sheet. (all the way down to the dorset coast) In the more recent past the north sea UK and northern europe was under permanent ice,,,, where you live was buried under glaciers in recent history in climatic terms.... the ice sheets have been retreating for the last 12-15000 years from the channel to their current position.. as that progressed where you live was probably that times permafrost for a while (probably because i don't have data to support it, but the pattern we see now is a reasonable model i think). What was the cause of that change? why did it occur? it certainly wasn't the industrial revolution and probably not human activity given global population at the time.
Are we having an influence on climate ? only an imbeciel would think otherwise... everything organic and inorganic has some effect.... the question is how much and that is still very debateable despite such statements as "the science is finished" .
Be open minded, question everything, think critically
none of those papers show the raw data or source of info, i didnt ask for papers, there are hundreds of them ... DATA! not speculation
Just a quick skim of the above:-
seal level changes 4cm/100 years, 2m in 100 years, 750 to190cm in 100 years.... which one is correct because 2 of then cant be... unless you are applying the theory that the gospels of Mathew mark and like differ because they were written by different people but are all accurate? last one also adds that ground water disturbance may add as much as the first arttributes to agw.....
I am not anti gw or even agw... but **** science is just that... agw is more a political tool than science and the IPCC are among the worst offenders.
Actually i take that back i am anti GW... i am however convinced that the climate of this planet is 4.5 bn years old, has been changing daily since then and we are looking at 100 years of it, (100 years of very incomplete and badly manipulated data in some cases) that we have studied reasonably hard in the last 30 or so years and now claim to be able to totally understand it.
just something to ponder... at some stage in the recent past most/ a large part of the northern hemisphere was part of the arctic ice sheet. (all the way down to the dorset coast) In the more recent past the north sea UK and northern europe was under permanent ice,,,, where you live was buried under glaciers in recent history in climatic terms.... the ice sheets have been retreating for the last 12-15000 years from the channel to their current position.. as that progressed where you live was probably that times permafrost for a while (probably because i don't have data to support it, but the pattern we see now is a reasonable model i think). What was the cause of that change? why did it occur? it certainly wasn't the industrial revolution and probably not human activity given global population at the time.
Are we having an influence on climate ? only an imbeciel would think otherwise... everything organic and inorganic has some effect.... the question is how much and that is still very debateable despite such statements as "the science is finished" .
Be open minded, question everything, think critically
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Ah that old chestnut, right out of the US right wing propaganda on climate change. Just ignore the data, the significant speed at which we have increased CO2 and the measured global effects.
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Like saying you asked for a list of words, not a book.
The paper is a discussion relating to the investigation of a phenomena which describes how and why the measurements are being made. The measurements are a list of raw numbers referred to in the paper and linked to it.
If you can't see that, you are not looking.
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When i was doing my degree, two or three lads there, were going to China regularly for work, when we were finished, one was going for good, so it does happen.
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I've mentioned it previously but seriously, if anyone is even remotely interested in whether burning fossil fuels is likely to result in climate change, have a listen to this short series;
www.bbc.co.uk
It's fascinating. An actual, genuine, conspiracy that started off with smoking companies looking for ways to befuddle smokers into thinking "maybe smoking causes cancer, but maybe it doesn't". Oil companies then used the exact same playbook, including THE SAME PEOPLE to create a similar smokescreen around climate change and burning fossil fuels.
We were all duped and oil companies got rich.
Annoyingly, fake "uncertainty" around climate change continues to persist. Barely anyone thinks there might not be a link between smoking and cancer anymore. A lot of those folk have unfortunately (and darkly ironically) now died. Climate change skepticism is much less lethal to the individual.
BBC Sounds - How They Made Us Doubt Everything - Available Episodes
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It's fascinating. An actual, genuine, conspiracy that started off with smoking companies looking for ways to befuddle smokers into thinking "maybe smoking causes cancer, but maybe it doesn't". Oil companies then used the exact same playbook, including THE SAME PEOPLE to create a similar smokescreen around climate change and burning fossil fuels.
We were all duped and oil companies got rich.
Annoyingly, fake "uncertainty" around climate change continues to persist. Barely anyone thinks there might not be a link between smoking and cancer anymore. A lot of those folk have unfortunately (and darkly ironically) now died. Climate change skepticism is much less lethal to the individual.
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Folk keep regurgitating the propaganda that they got sucked into. You see it with folk and conspiracy theories as well, everyone else are sheep but not them they are radical thinkers who can see the truth. Even if the truth is far fetched and contains nothing factual.I've mentioned it previously but seriously, if anyone is even remotely interested in whether burning fossil fuels is likely to result in climate change, have a listen to this short series;
BBC Sounds - How They Made Us Doubt Everything - Available Episodes
Listen to the latest episodes of How They Made Us Doubt Everything on BBC Sounds.
It's fascinating. An actual, genuine, conspiracy that started off with smoking companies looking for ways to befuddle smokers into thinking "maybe smoking causes cancer, but maybe it doesn't". Oil companies then used the exact same playbook, including THE SAME PEOPLE to create a similar smokescreen around climate change and burning fossil fuels.
We were all duped and oil companies got rich.
Annoyingly, fake "uncertainty" around climate change continues to persist. Barely anyone thinks there might not be a link between smoking and cancer anymore. A lot of those folk have unfortunately (and darkly ironically) now died. Climate change skepticism is much less lethal to the individual.
I like the one that they convinced folk that climate change is fake and just for financial gain for "some" folk. Umm pot kettle black. The oil and gas companies aren't giving the stuff away. Their businesses will collapse if they don't keep producing, just like the smoking companies, need to keep folk hooked.Happy_welder22
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“You couldn’t make a moonshot with 5% error”
If asked a bridge engineer can this bridge take my weight and they said I think there is a 95% it will break and you will fall and die. Yeah I’m not going on that bridge.
If it was 50 / 50 we should still take action, I’m quite pro continued existence but I’m like that.
If you think about the control and power that would be necessary for this to be a big conspiracy and I’m sure they would come up with more interesting things than holiday in country and turn your heating down a bit.
If asked a bridge engineer can this bridge take my weight and they said I think there is a 95% it will break and you will fall and die. Yeah I’m not going on that bridge.
If it was 50 / 50 we should still take action, I’m quite pro continued existence but I’m like that.
If you think about the control and power that would be necessary for this to be a big conspiracy and I’m sure they would come up with more interesting things than holiday in country and turn your heating down a bit.
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The Mirror that lies Daily had an article on last nights MSM home page saying, " Ground source heat pumps by 2025 in new build & all replacement stuff to be of a low polluting group so I take that to mean OFB's will be on the scrapping plans . Councils are being encouraged to take on new staff to help implement the change over.
Some of the guys on site have GSHP's and ASHP's , their running costs are far less than oil or gas. If you buy early yes you will pay high but you will also be saving hand over fist .
Rob has GSHP & heat recovery in his place and is planning it for his new place , he reckons it's fantastic. It's going to be our next big project to take us well into old age keep the bungalow modernised efficient .
