compressors (sigh)....hot air = water problems

[rtbcomp]

@anjum I have moved your query to here http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/threads/carbon-filter-for-spraying.48183/ to retainn the integrity of this thread

 

[Rig Pig]

What about a second receiver tank to allow the air to loose velocity and drop it's temperature a bit, feed in the middle drain at the bottom and draw from the top.

 

[paulioq]

like I asked in the first post can reponses be kept limited to the original concept this thread is starting to off the rails big time with sugestions that all seme to be more work for less an effective solution at a higher cost then what I have suggested:/ and am strating to get sick of writeing response to half baked ideas(have to understand the mechanics and enginerring principles to what your working on if you don't know these things how can you work/improve on it). I have looked into other ideas and even tried a few things to find they don't work there is plenty of info out there already about this subject with some ideas that are just bad like raiseing the cut out switch preasure which is a no no because each compressor pump is desgined to produce a safe max preassure going beyond this just wrecks your pump with extra heat and run time as well as that it can also crack valves/reeds and the preasure can just by pass the rings so it ends up running for no reason because it never hits the shut of load it just ****** out every where but into the tank. also pumps are designed with a reciver tank size spec and adding capacity makes the compressor run longer creating heat and excess wear. if an idea is good enough to look into make sure you get all the info keep reading and reading and in the end it will contradict itself. also internet forums are a great source of information but does the person posting actually have knowledge on the subject and is giving valid advice with good intentions or are they a psychopath that is just spiting out anything he thinks of is worth posting. I don't know you have to make your own mind up and have a basic knowledge of what your reading for the information to make sense. after I was on here last night I found an American forum article from 2012 with some one recommending to some one with the same water issues exactly this idea its a shame I didn't cut and paste the link into hear because this person said he has done it a few times and his go to solution to remedy the problem. running pipe for 4 laps around my garage befor I take air of just seemed crazy to me so I applied sound knowledge in a new idea executed difrently.

 

[rtbcomp]

like I asked in the first post can reponses be kept limited to the original concept this thread is starting to off the rails big time with sugestions that all seme to be more work for less an effective solution at a higher cost then what I have suggested:/ and am strating to get sick of writeing response to half baked ideas(have to understand the mechanics and enginerring principles to what your working on if you don't know these things how can you work/improve on it).

If you don't like responses ignore them, you don't have to reply to them.

I have looked into other ideas and even tried a few things to find they don't work there is plenty of info out there already about this subject with some ideas that are just bad like raiseing the cut out switch preasure which is a no no because each compressor pump is desgined to produce a safe max preassure going beyond this just wrecks your pump with extra heat and run time as well as that it can also crack valves/reeds and the preasure can just by pass the rings so it ends up running for no reason because it never hits the shut of load it just ****** out every where but into the tank. also pumps are designed with a reciver tank size spec and adding capacity makes the compressor run longer creating heat and excess wear.

Nobody suggested raising the pressure beyond safe limits - if you must respond to a post, respond to what's written.

if an idea is good enough to look into make sure you get all the info keep reading and reading and in the end it will contradict itself.

You do all the reading, don't forget you're getting the benefit of people's ideas and their time for free.

also internet forums are a great source of information but does the person posting actually have knowledge on the subject and is giving valid advice with good intentions or are they a psychopath that is just spiting out anything he thinks of is worth posting. I don't know you have to make your own mind up and have a basic knowledge of what your reading for the information to make sense. after I was on here last night I found an American forum article from 2012 with some one recommending to some one with the same water issues exactly this idea its a shame I didn't cut and paste the link into hear because this person said he has done it a few times and his go to solution to remedy the problem. running pipe for 4 laps around my garage befor I take air of just seemed crazy to me so I applied sound knowledge in a new idea executed difrently.

Maybe you could brush up on your English, spelling and punctuation, then we may have some idea what you're talking about.

 

[Rig Pig]

If you want a properly engineered solution stop messing about with cheap crap and go and buy a proper air dryer package with a screw compressor to run it.

 

[captain-destructo]

from what i can gather you have various options one where you fit an air con radiator, fixed to the cage that covers the drive belt and fan that is fixed to the compressor this will help cool the air going through it


one option is to pipe it up between the compressor and the reciever so it cools the air before it gets into the reciever

another is to fit it after the reciever so it cools the air on its way to the airline

i also think what would help the most is the way you have the air piped into your workshop bigest pipe you can get away with weather it be copper plastic/nylon or steel and install it with a gental slope running away from compressor and where you take a feed from it you take it off the top so any moisture naturaly drains to the lowest point

someone has described there install here http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/air-system.htm

just re read your original post!!!

do both every little helps just make sure the rad or rads are big enough so you can get the flow rate through them , no good having a rad with 1/4 inch pipe in it and then conecting a 3/4 airline to it to feed the blasting pot

stuff it im off to bed ill edit out any stupidity tomorrow

 

[paulioq]

If you want a properly engineered solution stop messing about with cheap crap and go and buy a proper air dryer package with a screw compressor to run it.

mate I'm talking about home set ups for the serious enthusiast on a budget. if I was setting up a shop I would defintly spend the big bucks on an air dryer and twin screw but there is sound theory behind my idea the same that lies behind the 60ft of pipe run through out the rafters that gets suggested nearly every time this subject comes up. I am trying to find a cleaner more effective fix then the cost and time need'd to run 60ft of pipe which seems to be the only real other alternative.

rtbcomp sounds like your carrying on like a shiela because I shot down your ideas. you may be in denial about the fact that at some time in the future some one new to compressors will have this problem for the first time and turn to the internet to help arm them self with the right information to find a solution to there particular problem. I know this because that's what I did just like many others befor me have. so the reason I am replying to peoples post is to inform them why I wont be doing it just like they are informing me of what they think I should be doing to fix my problem.

now rtbcomp I have already found my soulution and requested on feed back to that theory only and also the best position for the condenser, I am sure I stated this in the original post because I already knew back then that this exact situation would be what happens. I believe it is every one but me pulling and steering this thread in diferent directions and with a sense of honest concern for the purity of this thread is why I reply to alternate ideas from people because I have had some of these same ideas suggested to me to only find out through more research or personal experience that they don't work and can destroy a compressor in a relatively short time.

so saying all that sorry for having a moral sense to prevent that from happening to any one who may be reading and following this thread. and I know your carrying on like a big girls blouse because to pick on ones grammer spelling punctuation is purly to get a rise at my expense but I'm sure no one here is an English major because were to busy working with our hands. and you think I'm hard to understand gees some of you English men need subtitles for how thick your dialect is so take some of your own advice "you don't need to reply to all post"

now back to business

I have finally had a chance to install the condenser and am here to give proof of concept to the theory. it works marviously better then expected no need for any thing else to help fix my water in compressor air problem. I was going to give temps going in and out of the condenser to give an idea of its effectiveness but how's this, the inlet to the condenser from the air pump is to hot to even keep your hand on for a moment. you touch the outlet side going to the air tank and it actually feels less cool to the touch. the condenser is only warm to the touch a third of the way across so even using a small condenser from a late model Hyundai accent measuring 500mm wide by 610mm tall and 16mm thick is more then enough to keep it under control in normal working conditions like sanding or die grinding.

I haven't done any thing to work the compressor hard like sand blasting or the like but belive it will be just fine when I need too. I do have a pic on my phone that I will up load when I work out how(hey rtbcomp you can have a go at me for that too considering the way your nit picking but I have a pre emptive 2 words for you that have a hyphon in between them you can guess what they are)

 

[rtbcomp]

You do not flame or insult members on this forum, you are banned.