dan.taylor.1
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I've got the Lincoln viking helmet and I can honestly say it's improved my welding moving from a 50 quid small viewing area helmet to this one.
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Chris Stevens
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If you read a book with it 300mm from your face, and your optician provides reading glasses with that in mind, your glasses will also be perfect for welding.
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Chris Stevens
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Notice that no one who actually owns a Miller helmet, has had any problems with "flimsy" head gear? Most comfortable I have ever used also, and guess if everyone has exactly the same shape head, the old style O-U head gear will work fine................trouble is everyones head isnt the same shape.
Richard.
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Ok the head gear thing I'm been too quick to judge and admittedly not tried a Miller out for size. My appols. I was judging them on the similar looking ones I've tried and not liked or broken but it was an unfair comment based on a photo. My bad.
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The thing with glasses or cheaters, they have to suit the distance that you will be using them at. Reading distance is normally reckoned to be 14" I wear 2.5 diopter for reading glasses but for the computer i only need 2.0 diopter as i view the screen at 24" Do a quick test at a £1-00 shop with their glasses at your normal welding distance.
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Chris Stevens
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Yes exactly, but my point was that the optical quality of a cheap Chinese cheater lens, means even with very costly helmets, the view isnt going to be a lot different to a £50 helmet, as the poor optics of the cheater will affect both helmets in exactly the same way.
Richard.
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Well if your that concerned don't buy expensive lids. No point looking at the new speedglas if it isn't gonna benefit you.
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Chris Stevens
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Just pointing out that all the silly advertising blurb about expensive helmets is pretty meaningless if you use a cheater lens, as optical quality wont be any better than a £50 job from Ebay.
I will be getting some glasses specific to using for welding before trying the Speedglas, but better glasses might well mean the Miller is a great deal more effective, and I might end up getting another.
I will be getting some glasses specific to using for welding before trying the Speedglas, but better glasses might well mean the Miller is a great deal more effective, and I might end up getting another.
Bill Edwards
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If you are going to get glasses specifically for welding consider getting some safety spec ones with the side shields - doubles up as eye protection while grinding.
langy
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Chris in my opinion some people on here like to bash certain brands, like R-Tec etc etc, they probably havnt even tried them !!! I havnt a clue why ??? It must be a forum thing ?
I use mostly Miller and CK stuff as I find it suits my usage perfectly, I've tried most of the others and still find miller stuff top quality , I personally would never use a cheap lid as my eyes are important to me.
gordon stephenson
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If going to wear glasses, make sure that your helmet has enough clearance to the lens to allow glasses wearing.
Richard.
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If your referring to comments I've made steve I wasn't "bashing" miller lids. Just made an observation based on how the head gear looks very harmless comment and wouldn't bother me personally.
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Chris Stevens
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Yes thats the case certainly. I get the feeling that this has got a lot to do with the power of advertising though, with many people feeling that pointless features are a must have, and that YT "reviews" are wholly objective? However I have also noticed that objectivity often doesnt go down very well, if its not in accord with the consensus view on certain subjects.
Maybe the views of someone who has bought a product with their own money, and used it over a period of several months, are of more value that those of someone who has swallowed advertising blurb from a rival manufacturer, or has watched a YT review from someone who is either paid or receives equipment FOC?
langy
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Yes I just find it incredibly odd that someone would even bother to offer an opinion on something they didn't use !!!
For years I built lots of cars with a Parweld XTI200 ac/dc set, it was brilliant and eventually I upgraded to a Dynasty after using my mates, both are excellent machines but the Dynasty is streets ahead of the Parweld but it should be for the increase in money. However both do a great job a bit like R-tec.
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Chris Stevens
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They may have been taken hook line and sinker by advertising possibly, and think this is actually related to fact, rather than just blurb to sell products?
daleyd
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The thing with reviews is, if you've splashed out your hard earned cash are you likely to tell everyone you've bought a lemon? As said, people who do buy gear a lot of the time don't have anything to compare it to either.....
So, take your pick - all reviews are going to have some bias in.
So, take your pick - all reviews are going to have some bias in.
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So really your saying that a cheap cheater lens reduces the optical quality of any helmet you fit it to rendering them all about the same?
Why not wear some off the peg cheap reading glasses with similar magnification then? The lense quality will almost certainly be higher than a cheater with the added benefit that you can clean them easily (a cheater stuck inside a helmet tends to trap all sorts of dust and grit and this creates scratches and swirls when you try to wipe them clean reducing clarity even further) personally for what they cost I find regular lense changes give the best results no mater what the helmet they all scratch easily, and the state most people let their lenses get into always suprises me.
Why not wear some off the peg cheap reading glasses with similar magnification then? The lense quality will almost certainly be higher than a cheater with the added benefit that you can clean them easily (a cheater stuck inside a helmet tends to trap all sorts of dust and grit and this creates scratches and swirls when you try to wipe them clean reducing clarity even further) personally for what they cost I find regular lense changes give the best results no mater what the helmet they all scratch easily, and the state most people let their lenses get into always suprises me.
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It's falling on deaf ears dale. I've given up. I share an open opinion based only on how something appears and quite happy to be corrected by users/owners and the defence and tears come out. We all make assumption and comparison on visual appearence and as long as we are prepared to listen to people and be corrected on things that appear but might not be so then it could be a sensible discussion. I'll give anything a try and keep an open mind but I'll also say it as I see it. The elite lid in question was one on my short list and I expressed concern on the way the head gear looks. It appears my concerns are not accurate which is fine but it's just an object and not a reason to get worked up over.
