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I sprayed 2k primer on my hot rod, using an organic filter mask. I’ve read several threads on it over the years and that has been recommended by many people. Even the paint place I bought it from said it. I know guys who have done that for years too.
Now suddenly it HAS to be an air fed.......
Now suddenly it HAS to be an air fed.......
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I sprayed 2k primer on my hot rod, using an organic filter mask. I’ve read several threads on it over the years and that has been recommended by many people. Even the paint place I bought it from said it. I know guys who have done that for years too.
Now suddenly it HAS to be an air fed.......
For the reasons I outlined. A definite causal link has been found between isocyanates and occupational athsma. A passive mask CAN be adequate, but as you can't sense isocyanates you can't tell if the seal is good enough. Therefore air fed is the only reliable method.
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I sprayed 2k primer on my hot rod, using an organic filter mask. I’ve read several threads on it over the years and that has been recommended by many people. Even the paint place I bought it from said it. I know guys who have done that for years too.
Now suddenly it HAS to be an air fed.......
Isocyanates can penetrate through exposed skin and your eyes, there is a reason exposure limits are so low, once sensitised like dermatitis and other similar reactions you remain that way and it can also be a path to other reactive issues
Materials like asbestos were also widely used without any appreciation for the future health risks, but we now(hopefully) know better
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Its also not just something that can happen immediately, I have been around 2k products most of my working life not directly as a painter but it's a process I have used and worked around.I sprayed 2k primer on my hot rod, using an organic filter mask. I’ve read several threads on it over the years and that has been recommended by many people. Even the paint place I bought it from said it. I know guys who have done that for years too.
Now suddenly it HAS to be an air fed.......
I have painted odd bits with and without air-fed, done spot repairs and blending on-site with cartridge full face masks.
|And despite having H&S qualifications and understanding the hazards and properties at one time I may of sides towards your views if it was just for small parts and limited time.
Then one night after helping a painter hold and positions some awkward parts while spraying wearing a full face mask with top speck new filters and full PPE, I woke in the middle of the night coughing and struggling to breath went on for about 4 hours.
It's a sensitivity issue that can hit you at any time and once it happens my research has led me to believe once it gets you it will subsequently get you each and every time.
It is not worth the risk. 2k is the ultimate finishing product but its not something to be taken lightly.
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Its also not just something that can happen immediately, I have been around 2k products most of my working life not directly as a painter but it's a process I have used and worked around.
I have painted odd bits with and without air-fed, done spot repairs and blending on-site with cartridge full face masks.
|And despite having H&S qualifications and understanding the hazards and properties at one time I may of sides towards your views if it was just for small parts and limited time.
Then one night after helping a painter hold and positions some awkward parts while spraying wearing a full face mask with top speck new filters and full PPE, I woke in the middle of the night coughing and struggling to breath went on for about 4 hours.
It's a sensitivity issue that can hit you at any time and once it happens my research has led me to believe once it gets you it will subsequently get you each and every time.
It is not worth the risk. 2k is the ultimate finishing product but its not something to be taken lightly.
Got to admit, I’ve only used it twice, once ten years ago, and again 6 months ago. I was told by an old pro “If you can smell the thinners, your mask isn’t sealed, get out”. And I used that as my safety factor.
I used acrylic on my last car, with the same sort of mask, that is safer stuff, I hear. And home made metal flake too.
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The longer its about the more information is gatheredI sprayed 2k primer on my hot rod, using an organic filter mask. I’ve read several threads on it over the years and that has been recommended by many people. Even the paint place I bought it from said it. I know guys who have done that for years too.
Now suddenly it HAS to be an air fed.......
Asbestos used to fine
So did smoking
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As a side note, it's not until you start face fit testing you become aware just how ineffective some respiratory equipment can be.
https://www.hse.gov.uk/respiratory-protective-equipment/fit-testing-basics.htm
Its something the industry is pushing hard to promote, there is no one mask/brand fits all approach, each operators fave is different and need to be fitted and compared to find the correct bit of kit.
https://www.1974rapport.co.uk/single-post/2018/01/26/What-Is-A-Face-Fit-Test
https://www.hse.gov.uk/respiratory-protective-equipment/fit-testing-basics.htm
Its something the industry is pushing hard to promote, there is no one mask/brand fits all approach, each operators fave is different and need to be fitted and compared to find the correct bit of kit.
https://www.1974rapport.co.uk/single-post/2018/01/26/What-Is-A-Face-Fit-Test
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I have a couple of Sundstrom full face masks that can either take filters or attach the air fed adaptor to make into an air fed mask assembly. I have two of these set ups and a few half masks. It would also be quite simple to make your own air fed mask from a full face respirator if you fancied.
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Read quite a bit regarding isocyanates, absorption through eyes and skin is seemingly a myth
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It’s not
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Sorry Parm but even our own hse says it's wrong, see the link https://www.hse.gov.uk/mvr/bodyshop/myths/myth9.htm
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Says can cause dermatitis, not absorption like people believe it to be and it's also under the header, myth, oil and many things cause dermatitis is not as serious as the respiratory risks by a long shot
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I bow to your greater expertise
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Not mine parm, tell the HSE, the facts are they have published an article stating the opposite of what you have said, if you have a gripe with that take it up with them, they do the research
