Is this structural, can I remove it?

[roblane65]

probably no more than sunk in the walls to support a floor. Your biggest problem will be the stone work collapsing
in around the hole left when pull the timber out . depends on the composition of stone . Often bigger stone on the two outside faces and often bits rubble soil and god knows what in the middle. If the beams were structural the would have to be tied to something
else longditudally rough stone walling no sand cement . In theory if you pushed both walls from the outer side to the horizontal beam it would just push through the walls.
the strength is in the fact the walls are 600mm thick

 

[eddie49]

In case you need to know, "ingénieur en structure" or "spécialiste de la statique" is what you need to look for in Les Pages Jaunes.
( Taken from the website "https://www.linguee.com" which I use for examples of translation.)

 

[slim_boy_fat]

Not risking it.

Very wise, imo.

a tie beam

Clue's in the name....

 

[roblane65]

Is it a tie beam or just a floor joist ? He's already said it's not fixed to the roof in any way so what is tied to then ?

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Is it a tie beam or just a floor joist ? He's already said it's not fixed to the roof in any way so what is tied to then ?

The wall

 

[Barking Mat]

Held up a floor.

 

[roblane65]

If its just sitting in a pocket in the stone work with no other mechanical fixing at either end weather it be timber or steel buried in the stone and fixed at 90 degrees to the end the timber then it's not a tie beam
it's simply a floor joist being held captive in stone work. Just my opinion with 33 years in the building trade

 

[colnerov]

Hi, I would say that the wall has survived with the end tie beams being removed because the wall is partially braced by the end walls at the corners. Being 600mm thick there may be a sole plate in the top of the wall that the rafters are attached to which may not be visible. If height under the beams is an issue to desire removal, I suppose a buttress or two outside the other side of the wall maybe a solution. So something else to ask the structural engineer.

Colin

 

[Seadog]

Held up a floor.

The one that you removed previously, how was that fitted into the wall, or wasn't it? Did it just sit in a pocket?

 

[Barking Mat]

First photo: that beam needs to go,

Second photo: the floor was entirely supported by battens nailed to the beams with, joists between two beams.

Third photo shows how far roofing truss? Strut? If from the beam.

Thanks for all the input. Walls 50cms not 60, the tall walls internal, 50 cms thick too.

 

[Barking Mat]

Sat in a hole / pocket @Seadog ...

 

[Barking Mat]

The bloke (mate) I spoke to lectures in masonry techniques at a technical college, after spending years as a mason. He said, the previous beam I took out wasn't tied in to the roof frame, therefore not an issue...

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

The bloke (mate) I spoke to lectures in masonry techniques at a technical college, after spending years as a mason. He said, the previous beam I took out wasn't tied in to the roof frame, therefore not an issue...

So he's a brickie. Lol.

Last picture. What's that timber cut off from the bottom of the rafters.

Is there any buttressing on the wall inside or out. Or 500mm all the way.

 

[Screwdriver]

Looks like over the centuries people have been chipping away at the structural members saying “well it hasn’t fallen over yet”.

 

[Barking Mat]

@eLuSiVeMiTe ,

I think he'd take offence at brickie.

Dunno, that bit of timbers always been like that, was never tied in to the other wall, supporting plate?

No buttresses anywhere, 500 mm throughout inside and outside walls. The floor was used for storing loads of crap the previous owner had accumulated, this is the last bit to attack and clear.

The staircase was further back , to the left of where it currently is, due to the height and angle of the roof it's a glorified corridor as little space is really useable.

 

[Barking Mat]

@Screwdriver , only dates to 1917, steel RSJ'S over the future kitchen ceiling, hence, the plaster board marathon..

 

[Gritineye]

I think I can see what looks like a steel bracket bolted to the underside of the beam, i would suggest this ties the beans to the masonry, remove at your peril.

May take a few years, but walls spread remorslessly in their own time.

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[roblane65]

lets stop dallying about , pull it out and if everything stays where it is happy days.

 

[Barking Mat]

@Gritineye , no steel brackets, maybe a lump of slate underneath..

Hard enough to attach stuff to stone and earth walls, hold on I'll check.. No steel.

 

[brightspark]

its got nothing to do with the roof timbers otherwise it would have been diagonaly braced up. its not even to stop the wall spreading out .its just to hold the floor up / wouldn't think twice taking it out