Jaguar XE strikes again!

[sako243]

I'd fifth (or sixth whatever we're on) that if those DTCs and clicking relays are the only issues you have then a new battery is on the cards.

I've owned modern Range Rovers for the last 10 years or so and anytime there's a load of lost communication errors it has always been the battery. Putting them on chargers / reconditioners has only prolonged the inevitable by maybe one or two weeks in my experience. The only way to really test it is to dump a big load across it and measure the voltage profile when doing so. All it needs is for the supply to drop momentarily and brown out some ECUs (their internal power supplies dip briefly to the point of restarting) and you get lost comms errors. Unfortunately that's all that the ECU can actually log with any certainty - for it to diagnose it further automatically would introduce a whole level of complexity to it that's unnecessary.

When you try to start it for the first time after being on charge give it the best chance if you don't want to fork out for a new battery and connect jump packs, extra good batteries etc. I've honestly not had much luck with that method and find simply replacing the battery most cost effective. That battery might still be usable for less sensitive items (in my instance a diesel compact tractor or auxiliary batteries on the 110).

 

[minimutly]

I'd fifth (or sixth whatever we're on) that if those DTCs and clicking relays are the only issues you have then a new battery is on the cards.

I've owned modern Range Rovers for the last 10 years or so and anytime there's a load of lost communication errors it has always been the battery. Putting them on chargers / reconditioners has only prolonged the inevitable by maybe one or two weeks in my experience. The only way to really test it is to dump a big load across it and measure the voltage profile when doing so. All it needs is for the supply to drop momentarily and brown out some ECUs (their internal power supplies dip briefly to the point of restarting) and you get lost comms errors. Unfortunately that's all that the ECU can actually log with any certainty - for it to diagnose it further automatically would introduce a whole level of complexity to it that's unnecessary.

When you try to start it for the first time after being on charge give it the best chance if you don't want to fork out for a new battery and connect jump packs, extra good batteries etc. I've honestly not had much luck with that method and find simply replacing the battery most cost effective. That battery might still be usable for less sensitive items (in my instance a diesel compact tractor or auxiliary batteries on the 110).

Indeed, and when you buy a new battery I would suggest a Banner is not a good choice...

 

[RWD3M]

I am used to MB forums which can be hit and miss.

Does anyone know of a worthwhile jaguar forum? I looked at a couple of them and didn't seem to have many on them answering questions with logic, just people who squeal about warranty or taking it to the dealer to get rinsed sort of thing.

Jaguar Forum

A forum community dedicated to Jaguar owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more!

www.jaguarforum.com

I'll see you there!

Which model is yours?

 

[RWD3M]

I have a 2017 180PS Portfolio which has given me no trouble though I did have a precautionary timing gear change done, as at the time I was expecting to be doing 25k miles a year in it. Of course then Covid came along and I now do about 5k!

Aside from topping up the DEF whenever it tells me (about once every 8k miles), it gets nothing more than a service every year along with it's MoT and gives faultless service. It's a great drive, returns high 40's mpg (mid 50's on a decent motorway run) and has more toys than I know what to do with

 

[Morrisman]

I'm taking my daughter used- car shopping today, this scenario is exactly what I hate about buying a used car.

 

[mart]

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[mart]

My better half's car, 2016 Jaguar XE has never ending problems. New timing chain system, def fluid issues and nox sensor etc to name a few £1k bills it's had.

Then it's had this intermittent non start issue where it clicks and shudders but won't actually turn over the engine. Jag mechanic suggested to check for water in the rear fuse box / body control module but it's dry.

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Any idears on here?

Ps don't buy jaguar land rover products! This one will be for sale shortly if anyone would like a really nice looking car. Just make sure you have either a bus pass or tow rope when buying one of these. You will need it.

All joking aside Jag mech can't look at it for 2 weeks. So if any of you have had the joys of these XEs let me know any tips to check.

She is again driving my S320 and I'm driving my S600 15mpg super unleaded to work FFS it'll cost me +£100 in fuel per week easy until its fixed.

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[Munkul]

My XF is a delight. Love it.

Me too, I've had 2 of them, i love my current one, at 150k now, hopefully going to keep it for another 20k or so.

That said, the big engines are always better than the little ones, and the x250s were supposedly better built than the x260s... I hope its not true cos i want an x260 next

 

[dobbslc]

I'm taking my daughter used- car shopping today, this scenario is exactly what I hate about buying a used car.

Good luck!
Have you seen my thread on buying a Mini/Fiat 500?
Being nowhere near London's ULEZ nonsense will help though.

 

[mart]

@JOEPRO
If it was an E Type, I would encourage you to spend on a classic like that.

 

[JOEPRO]

@JOEPRO
If it was an E Type, I would encourage you to spend on a classic like that.

I do prefer classic cars not these modern adblue single timing chain at back of engine monstrosities.

 

[rtcosic]

I've had 2 X200, the precursor to the X250. Perfectly fine, but old tech now. Being made of steel and having various plastic addon 'styling' features, prone to hidden rust.

I run an X260 now - 250PS petrol - and it's fine. Can't comment on reliablity as I've only had it since March 2019 and only put 40kmiles on it. Fuel consumption isn't great - not much better than the previous 3litre V6 manual S-Types. I've onlt seen 40mpg on a run once and that was because of miles of 50mph road works.
The various toys are useful and annoying in equal measure. Mainly because the software was written by little boys and aimed at the American market.
It's an estate so has self leveling air to the rear, but traditional steel coils to the front. Comfortable enough, a bit slow and a bit cramped in the rear. Boot large enough and much better resolved than the X250. Doesn't look like a Jaguar inside or out though.

Never considered an XE as I take passengers in the rear.

I concur with big lazy engines are better. I still miss my X358 SV8. That had plenty of rear seat leg and head room and large wide opening rear doors. Performance was 'adequate'. I did see 30mpg on a run several times. But it definiterly looked like a Jaguar inside and out. No passenger every asked what make of car it was!

That was meant to quote @minimutly and @Munkul

 

[minimutly]

Jaguar Forum

A forum community dedicated to Jaguar owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more!

www.jaguarforum.com

I'll see you there!

Which model is yours?

Found the Jaguar forum to be pants, personnaly...

 

[Bullet2012]

As others have already stated modern vehicle electronics rely on a good clean healthy power supply.
a battery at 78% of its capacity unloaded could be anything once a load is applied.

 

[keithski122]

I'm taking my daughter used- car shopping today, this scenario is exactly what I hate about buying a used car.

Not a problem if you're sensible about what you buy. Also if you buy japanese you won't be car shopping very often.

 

[qwakers]

As others have already stated modern vehicle electronics rely on a good clean healthy power supply.
a battery at 78% of its capacity unloaded could be anything once a load is applied.

this. battery boned. buy a high quality replacement. reset codes, recheck.

 

[JOEPRO]

As others have already stated modern vehicle electronics rely on a good clean healthy power supply.
a battery at 78% of its capacity unloaded could be anything once a load is applied.

this. battery boned. buy a high quality replacement. reset codes, recheck.

Guys- I said 78% health.

State of charge is separate and I use 2no battery testers. A traditional drop tester and a digital one which is highly accurate.

Notwithstanding this - I have several spare car batteries which I can exchange to see if the problem changes but whilst worth a shot, I do not think thumid is battery related.

Coming from many years experience diagnosing similar issues on Mercedes Cars. I have 11x of them for example. They are ultra voltage sensitive.

 

[KemppiFrog]

Back in the day, I was offered an XK E type 12 pot at 30% off by a client who was a dealer. Gave me one for a test drive. In the early 70s , the fuel crisis made the idea laughable. So I turned him down, he then lent me a XK 12 C. Huge fun , but same answer
Recent tales from friends with Range Rovers make me wonder how they sell any at all.

I expect some alternate opinions...

 

[Bullet2012]

Guys- I said 78% health

Please define what you mean by this. Thank you

 

[qwakers]

he is under the (mistaken) impression that a battery showing 78% is a good battery, having been told multiple times that all modern vehicles, especially JLR, are incredibly battery sensitive, and the battery is no longer providing necessary voltage stability. its ability to start the car is irrelevant.