Mk2 Escort Group 4 Rally Car

stuvy · Dec 21, 2011

I knew about the first historic piece, but never knew that on the second one!

rallyreturn · Dec 21, 2011

stuvy said:
I knew about the first historic piece, but never knew that on the second one!

This is a good site for Historic Technical information.

http://www.hrct.co.uk/

stuvy · Dec 21, 2011

thanks for that buddy, i must fight temptation to go on ebay looking for a mk1 or 2 escort

pedrobedro · Dec 21, 2011

We fitted a radius arm kit to a Mk2 1600 Sport back in the 80s. It belonged to a friend of mine and was a very tidy well looked after motor at the time, I bet he wishes he still had it.

rallyreturn · Dec 31, 2011

4 link boxes now welded in and just require crossbrace, gussets and skid plates to finish.

rallyreturn · Feb 5, 2012

Haven't had a chance to work on the Escort since Christmas, due to working in Ireland for most of January. Had a go at it today and finished off the blanking plates for the rear dampers, now working on some templates to fabricate the skid plates for the 4 link boxes.

stuvy · Feb 5, 2012

glad to see your back on it mate, i bet the time off building was killing you!

rallyreturn · Feb 8, 2012

Fabricated and welded the 4 link box skid plates today, some of the welds not too pretty but some of the metal I was welding too had underseal in the creases, never mind it's only going to be seen if the car ends up on it's roof!!!!!!!!

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rocketron · Feb 8, 2012

Lovely job,am very jealous. Am fortunate to be able to logbook many top escorts for rallying; this is right up there!

Don't know if I mentioned this before, so please forgive me. IF, and only IF this car is to be logbooked for rallying under MSA rules, there are maximum dimensions of modifications done to front and rear tunnels and bulkheads, beyond which the MSA will not allow. Your friendly logbooking scrute may develop selective blindness, but some keeny scrute may develop the opposite some time later. A situation that could cause some hassle.

A drawing of these max dimensions can be found on FIA technical lists article 272, fig272-1. I know its under rallycross section, but this is the same drawing MSA use.

Please understand am not trying to p**s you off. For me would rather sort probs out early. Forewarned is forearmed?

rallyreturn · Feb 8, 2012

A drawing of these max dimensions can be found on FIA technical lists article 272, fig272-1. I know its under rallycross section, but this is the same drawing MSA use.

Please understand am not trying to p**s you off. For me would rather sort probs out early. Forewarned is forearmed?

Thanks for that info, somebody with your knowledge of what scrutineers look for in the Historic spec can be really useful to me as it appears to be a bit of a minefield.

Can you elaborate more on the dimensions or got a link to the above drawing. I think it should be okay as I've looked at many other Historic builds by professional builders and they seem to be using the same fabricated parts as me, but you never can be 100% sure.

rocketron · Feb 9, 2012

Sorry, not clever enough to set up a link, I just google FIA technical lists, look for art 272 and get it from there. Also get to www.hrct.co.uk, loads of stuff and also Paul Loveridge,get mob no. and e-mail address, he's the main man in historic technical.

Don't accept that "professional" builders "know" what they're doing. Lots of good ones, of course, but more are not. DEFINATELY NO NAMES MENTIONED. Have found several cases of cages not fully welded!
And they all know how to bend the rules!!! Once saw a Mk1 Lotus Cortina with fully mapped ignition system, trigger chopper on front pulley, throttle position sensor and an ecu tucked up deep behind the dash. When questioned, the reply was "Where did that come from?"

Having said that, Escorts are THE best rally cars, ever.

Have a look for "Ieuan Rowlands" on you tube,. Mk2 escort with volvo 2.8L 8-valve. OK, its not historic. But on Wales Rally GB National (one day event only ,using same stage as WRC event) he was 14th fastest of ALL cars, including works WRC. Also look at him on Dyfnant stage. And he's never had an accident, unlike some works drivers

Also Gwyndaf Evans, Jarri-Latti Latvala, David Stokes (1st rally about 1968, and 2011 British Historic Champ) and anything Irish (You tube "Stay with her Johnny").

Any probs, will help of course.

What's the most expensive escort built, Solloway, Phil Mills or anyone else?

rallyreturn · Feb 12, 2012

Welded in the crossmember fixing tubes to replace the existing standard chassis nuts which are a weak point. RIX crossmember is going to be fitted at a later date. I've run out of parts to fit so a trip down to Rallyweld is on the cards to pick up more bits.

rallyreturn · Feb 17, 2012

I called into Rally Weld in Pontypool and bought a few of his fabricated body shell parts, must say really good quality and cheaper than anything I've seen on the Internet. After talking to Sean, the owner, I found out that some of the parts I've already fitted were made by him but I paid more for them from other suppliers, even saved on postage. He was very helpful and took time to show me some of his on going projects and gave me loads of advice about my build, just wish I'd found him earlier.
First parts to fit were the front skid plates.

rallyreturn · Feb 18, 2012

Welded in the front bulkhead strenghening plates today, thought this was going to be a pig of a job but straight forward, even my welding looks good in places.

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rallyreturn · Feb 26, 2012

Welded in the 4 link crossmembers and gussets to add some strength.

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stuvy · Feb 27, 2012

great fab work there mate really cannot wait to see this finished

rallyreturn · Feb 28, 2012

Had a chance to weld in the boot firewall fillers today, just started on the firewall itself but I'll need to do a bit of extra fabrication to get it to fit right.

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rallyreturn · Feb 29, 2012

I had to add some metal to the pre fabricated firewall side supports to get them to fit to the current turrets. Just need to mark up and drill the holes for the firewall aluminium panel and rivit it in place, but I don't want to fit it yet as I've got to get Rally Weld to stamp their name into it and got other jobs in the same area to carry out first.

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rallyreturn · Mar 3, 2012

Picked up some more fabricated parts from Rally Weld yesterday so made a start today on strenghening the front strut supports.

I just have to recommend these parts to anyone who is doing the same, top quality, excellent fit, especially the lower "hockey stick" brackets, and cheap!!!!!!!!

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rallyreturn · Apr 10, 2012

I managed to spend the Holiday Weekend welding in the new panhard kit as the original is prone to splitting the boot floor.

Wasn't looking forward to this job as it's quite a set up, but so much stronger than what was already fitted. This has taken a lot of man hours to fit and I still have to weld in another strengthener plate inside the boot.

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