novice welder

[karl mcghee]

whats you opinions guys

 

[premmington]

Looks OK to me - continuous weld round a metal plate - would pass an MOT with me OK.

 

[Shedendman]

looks fine for an MOT pass,dress the welds down a bit,smarten them up

 

[Blobber]

Looks fine, unless its part of the subframe as the MOT man might not be to happy?

 

[tigdlo]

Looks fine, unless its part of the subframe as the MOT man might not be to happy?

Section 5.3.3. LINK suggests a welded repair to a subframe could be considered an unsafe modification but but doesn't say it has to be in all cases which could be misinterpreted by a tester. Appendix A gives the exceptions that I am sure makes this an MOT passable repair.

5.3.3. Suspension arms, rods, struts, sub-frames, anti-roll bars etc.​

Some vehicles use thin gauge steel pressings for some highly stressed suspension components. Many of these parts have hollow ‘box sections’ or up-facing areas that can collect road dirt, salt or other chemicals that can cause severe local corrosion.

You should pay special attention to these components.

You can find guidance on assessing corrosion in Appendix A.

It may be easier to inspect suspension components with the wheels jacked for the checks in Section 5.3.4. You do not need to jack the rear wheels of vehicles with a DGW more than 5,000kg.

Unsafe modifications include:

• welded repairs
• the use of excessive heat to highly stressed components (see Appendix A)
• modifications likely to affect the roadworthiness of the vehicle

A missing bump stop rubber is not a reason for failure.

Appendix A section 6 LINK

The severity of corrosion in highly stressed components, such as steering and suspension arms, rods and levers, can be assessed by lightly tapping or scraping with the corrosion assessment tool.
In places that cannot be reached by the corrosion assessment tool, an alternative blunt instrument may be used.
A highly stressed component should be rejected if corrosion has resulted in serious reduction in the overall thickness of the material or has caused a hole or split.
Welded repairs to highly stressed components are not normally acceptable, other than where the component is made up of sections that are welded together. To pass, the repair should appear to be as strong as the original design.

 

[premmington]

Section 5.3.3. LINK suggests a welded repair to a subframe could be considered an unsafe modification but but doesn't say it has to be in all cases which could be misinterpreted by a tester. Appendix A gives the exceptions that I am sure makes this an MOT passable repair.

Appendix A section 6 LINK

Yeah subframe welding not allowed for MOT test.

You then need to weld it up - with plate from inside or level to profile - grind it flat and schutz it within an inch of its life several times. Then it will pass...

 

[karl mcghee]

Looks fine, unless its part of the subframe as the MOT man might not be to happy?

yeah the mot guy isnt someone i go to to be honest he marked the first hike took it back the he made another one after i welded the first one he marked

 

[tom2207]

looks a tad cold to me ,,,, I normally do that sort of thing before a test , then '' vanish it '' and its never seen , once its been looked at the rules change or start to apply .

 

[premmington]

looks a tad cold to me ,,,, I normally do that sort of thing before a test , then '' vanish it '' and its never seen , once its been looked at the rules change or start to apply .

@tom2207 - Subframe "invisible repairs" are as you say "are best done pre MOT testing".

Also - when you got schutz gun out - cover inner sills and other bits of the underside of the car - like it is "rust protection en mass" - not the act of solely covering you "single subframe sin"...

 

[Shedendman]

Bodge artists the lot of you,

 

[tom2207]

Bodge artists the lot of you,

I resemble that remark ,,,

 

[tom2207]

@tom2207 - Subframe "invisible repairs" are as you say "are best done pre MOT testing".

Also - when you got schutz gun out - cover inner sills and other bits of the underside of the car - like it is "rust protection en mass" - not the act of solely covering you "single subframe sin"...

remember to throw a taste of floor sweepings over the wet schutz to give it that authentic aged patina too .....

 

[Popcorn]

If your gonna go that far you might as well, stick the patch on with no nails and run a bead of it around the edge to look like a weld

 

[Cobbler]

If your gonna go that far you might as well, stick the patch on with no nails and run a bead of it around the edge to look like a weld

Don’t tell everyone about my repairs Seriously though, I had an old escort that had the sills fitted by a garage, they had welded along the bottom edge & filled over the top edge inside the doors. I ended up scraping the stuff off & welding it. It was a free car though, gave 20 quid to cover the tax, my wife ran it fo a year & I gave it away again.

 

[Popcorn]

The lad I knew that used to do the above actually made a tool for stepping the silicon to look like a weld. The time he took bodging it would have been quicker to actually learn to weld and do it properly.

 

[premmington]

If your gonna go that far you might as well, stick the patch on with no nails and run a bead of it around the edge to look like a weld

Roof and gutter sealant (£3 quid a tube) - black bitumen spray underseal just adheres to it...

(far too messy for an MOT tester to touch kids)


I seen plates adhered with windscreen sealant in my time - and to be honest - they may have been more "structural" than some welding I seen for MOT repairs.

 

[premmington]

remember to throw a taste of floor sweepings over the wet schutz to give it that authentic aged patina too .....