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English Steve
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Glad I don't have a manual now
Having just picked up a second hand Clarke 150EN to learn to weld with I come across this forum and the links for the PDF's etc. I also noticed that the power settings in some manuals are wrong so I thought I would test my machine.
I do wonder though - is the voltage test alone show the real order of power as if so my setup looks rather odd.
Anyhow these we're my readings (done on a digital meter than I trust)
1 MIN - 20.0v
2 MIN - 22.6v
3 MIN - 25.8v
1 MAX - 24v
2 MAX - 27.8v
3 MAX 32.8v
This would put my settings in order of
1 MIN
2 MIN
1 MAX
3 MIN
2 MAX
3 MAX
I do wonder though - is the voltage test alone show the real order of power as if so my setup looks rather odd.
Anyhow these we're my readings (done on a digital meter than I trust)
1 MIN - 20.0v
2 MIN - 22.6v
3 MIN - 25.8v
1 MAX - 24v
2 MAX - 27.8v
3 MAX 32.8v
This would put my settings in order of
1 MIN
2 MIN
1 MAX
3 MIN
2 MAX
3 MAX
Does your m/c have an 'A' switch, like my slightly later 151EN?
Mine comes out as (using 0.6 mm m/s wire):
Metal
Thickness Switches Wire Speed
0.5 - 0.6 1 - 2 - Min 5
0.5 - 0.6 1 - 2 - Max 5
0.6 - 0.8 A - 2 - Min 5+
0.8 - 1.0 A - 2 - Max 5+
0.8 - 1.0 A - 3 - Min 5-6
1.0 - 1.2 A - 3 - Max 6
1.2 - 2.0 A - 3 - Max 6
2.0 - 3.0 A - 3 - Max 7
3.0 - 5.0 A - 3 - Max 8
Amended via VM settings
Until ‘A’ is set, 2 & 3 do not operate.
A maximum number of 9 settings, the lower settings may be theoretical!
Mine comes out as (using 0.6 mm m/s wire):
Metal
Thickness Switches Wire Speed
0.5 - 0.6 1 - 2 - Min 5
0.5 - 0.6 1 - 2 - Max 5
0.6 - 0.8 A - 2 - Min 5+
0.8 - 1.0 A - 2 - Max 5+
0.8 - 1.0 A - 3 - Min 5-6
1.0 - 1.2 A - 3 - Max 6
1.2 - 2.0 A - 3 - Max 6
2.0 - 3.0 A - 3 - Max 7
3.0 - 5.0 A - 3 - Max 8
Amended via VM settings
Until ‘A’ is set, 2 & 3 do not operate.
A maximum number of 9 settings, the lower settings may be theoretical!
It could be that different models are connected to the switches slightly differently.
With that many wires and switches, it could even be that individual m/cs of the same models are sometimes wired differently by bored or inattentive factory operatives. I'm sure they don't check this sort of thing before the m/c leaves the factory, only that it welds something when you pull the trigger.
Although I have given the figures for mine above, some of the variables, like wire speed, are very much basic settings, and often need modifying to suit the job in hand.
When I started out using some of the Clarke manual settings for my model, I found I was blasting through metal instead of welding. I have also found that almost any setting is more powerful when using gasless, so have made myself a separate set of figures for this, purely through observation.
Truth is, I think we need to get to know our own individual machine, and base settings on that for the best job.
With that many wires and switches, it could even be that individual m/cs of the same models are sometimes wired differently by bored or inattentive factory operatives. I'm sure they don't check this sort of thing before the m/c leaves the factory, only that it welds something when you pull the trigger.
Although I have given the figures for mine above, some of the variables, like wire speed, are very much basic settings, and often need modifying to suit the job in hand.
When I started out using some of the Clarke manual settings for my model, I found I was blasting through metal instead of welding. I have also found that almost any setting is more powerful when using gasless, so have made myself a separate set of figures for this, purely through observation.
Truth is, I think we need to get to know our own individual machine, and base settings on that for the best job.
liammcl
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Just to add, for interest... I was wondering , roughly, what wattage , amps etc it used..
This is 0.8 Gasless wire , speed no 6, and 3 min.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/liammcl_2006/Welding 2017/110_4208-001.jpg
This is the amperage at the plug, AC
(see the spike of 240volt, 23amps at startup )
http://s103.photobucket.com/user/liammcl_2006/media/Welding 2017/after.mp4.html?sort=3&o=0
I guestimated the amperage, at the bottom of the page,
by diving the amp range between the number of switch steps
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/liammcl_2006/Welding 2017/110_4213.jpg
This is 0.8 Gasless wire , speed no 6, and 3 min.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/liammcl_2006/Welding 2017/110_4208-001.jpg
This is the amperage at the plug, AC
(see the spike of 240volt, 23amps at startup )
http://s103.photobucket.com/user/liammcl_2006/media/Welding 2017/after.mp4.html?sort=3&o=0
I guestimated the amperage, at the bottom of the page,
by diving the amp range between the number of switch steps
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/liammcl_2006/Welding 2017/110_4213.jpg
tombrearley
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Here's a couple of photos confirming the power settings Endacy identified (from the front then the rear):
liammcl
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Thank you so much for that ,
In the back of my mind, I wondered if the no load voltage, at the tip,
matched the actual real life power.
Cheers
Liam
