Setting landy Bosch Ve pump timing no dial gauge

[Robbie260]

Well, if he has the whole set, and it matches, I guess it will just be the same task as standard, but with a different sized pin?

So it's going to be the locking plate, the sprocket itself, the flange on the pump shaft and the pump casting... I mean if they're all the same diameter, I guess you just need to find a drill bit to match.

It's if one of them is smaller that the bother comes in.


If you're using one of those red box locking tool kits, they push the pump out of the back of the timing chest though the pump sprocket. Which is nice as it pushes out the pump whilst locking the sprocket.

But if it's a non standard sprocket, I guess that won't be happening and you'll be needing to take the timing chest cover off, rather than just the access plate.


All sounds like madness. A (standard) used pump isn't even a whole load of cash for these, but, if he's paying you, it's not your concern, I guess! : )

Will have a look at it and report back on what I actually find it’s all a tad odd and confusing if you ask me.

 

[Robbie260]

If the pump is off something else you may have issues, on some set ups/engines timing is not at tdc, they can be a fair way out so folk dont crash valves into pistons when changing cam belts. If that pump is off an engine like that timing could be way out. Little pointer if this is the case, the keyway in the pump shaft ( if you were looking at the pulley hub face) will always line up (squirting) with the port at the at the back. Should be able to spill time from that and get the firing order correct, that would get it started.

Bob

Cheers Bob that helps

 

[Tinbasherdan]

200tdi/early 300 ve pump can be locked with a bolt, you undo it, take a spacer off and wind it back in and locked she goes

 

[reb78]

From my understanding of what the customer has said the slot on the flange on his pump is that entire u shape machined out and doesn’t have that secondary thinner slot behind it.

I suspect he is talking about the slotted washer that bolts tothe flange??

 

[sako243]

For reference this is what they look like when they're all lined up (with the gear and tensioner / clampy slotted thingy).

 

[reb78]

If the pump is off something else you may have issues, on some set ups/engines timing is not at tdc, they can be a fair way out so folk dont crash valves into pistons when changing cam belts. If that pump is off an engine like that timing could be way out. Little pointer if this is the case, the keyway in the pump shaft ( if you were looking at the pulley hub face) will always line up (squirting) with the port at the at the back. Should be able to spill time from that and get the firing order correct, that would get it started.

Bob

There is no keyway on the landy pumps Bob. The flange is pushed on when tdc is set in the factory.

 

[reb78]

For reference this is what they look like when they're all lined up (with the gear and tensioner / clampy slotted thingy).
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I'm wondering/hoping the client is describing the slotted holes in that outer plate to Robbie?

 

[Mikes]

I've seen a pump where the hole in the ally casing was badly mangled and that was due to someone leaving the timing pin in when they tried to start it.

 

[reb78]

200tdi/early 300 ve pump can be locked with a bolt, you undo it, take a spacer off and wind it back in and locked she goes

Those locking bolts are a bugger when you jump in the cab, startup and pull the spacer out of your pocket.

 

[8ob]

There is no keyway on the landy pumps Bob. The flange is pushed on when tdc is set in the factory.

I was on about something oddball if he has it, if its got the key you get to see the charging port, if not energise the solenoid and spill time. Not ideal but doable, you can then time with a piezo/timing light.

Bob

 

[armalites]

Have a look ay Britannica Restorations, he's a British guy in Canada and does a good video about reseting the pump timing. He does use a DTI though but you may be able to get some understanding to maybe do it with a digital caliper or similar

 

[Erie Fred]

Have a look ay Britannica Restorations, he's a British guy in Canada and does a good video about reseting the pump timing. He does use a DTI though but you may be able to get some understanding to maybe do it with a digital caliper or similar

Now they have hit me with "Video Unavailable" this time.....

 

[Robbie260]

Have a look ay Britannica Restorations, he's a British guy in Canada and does a good video about reseting the pump timing. He does use a DTI though but you may be able to get some understanding to maybe do it with a digital caliper or similar

Yes have watched that one was thinking that maybe a solution to use a vernier caliper

 

[Robbie260]

Right so what had happened was this lad had not tensioned the belt enough when reassembling and the fuel pump had jumped back a tooth somehow. Meaning you could not put the locking pin in at tdc. He’d also not set the pulley properly so the slot for the pin was in the middle of the U shape meaning you couldn’t get the timing pin physically in the hole. Also the reason it was running like a bag of bolts is he’d stuffed in a new rocker assembly and push rods in but not set the tappets. All running and sorted now. Bit white smoky but think that’s just because it’s got red in it and it’s sat for well over half a year. Bit of bolt extraction to finish up the job my new extractors immediately snapped so out with the welder it was.

Edit: the cam and crank timing is a bugger to set on that engine with it in the engine bay no wonder Britannic restorations dose it out on a hoist.