Sherman Tig (Jasic in disguise?)

[MetalMonkey]

Has anybody come across these Sherman welders?
They look basically like a blue polish Jasic at half the price but with only a one year warranty.

I was looking at the 206P vs the 200 pro mini
I'm guessing the Jasic has a better torch, but the machine itself looks identical.

E.g.

Jasic 200 Pro Mini
https://www.jasic.co.uk/tig-200p-mini-acdc-inverter-welder

Sherman Digitig 206P AC DC
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sherman-...-200amp-TIG-DC-MMA-pedal-control/183887740742

Presumably the extra 700+ quid extra is buying you just the 5 year warranty and UK back-up, unless there is something fundamentally different with the machine.

 

[500e]

The photo or the torch are incorrect.& pedal not quite the same.
Torch has 2 pin female machine has 5pin female, pedal has a 5 pin male,(correct) torch has a Rectus gas fitting machine a threaded connector
But It does look very close

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sherman-...-200amp-TIG-DC-MMA-pedal-control/183887740742

 

[Tom Orrow L]

Same externally, not the same internally. Plus with the Jasic you get the support of some of the best service engineers in the industry + one of the nicest workshops i've ever seen.

 

[MetalMonkey]

Same externally, not the same internally. Plus with the Jasic you get the support of some of the best service engineers in the industry + one of the nicest workshops i've ever seen.

Hi Tom, do you have any more information on what the differences are?

Obviously the Jasic comes with the benefit of UK support and warranty which is not to be trivialised and is an important part of the package - however on paper both machines have identical specifications and the units appear identical. It would be good to know where the cost engineering has been done inside or where the Jasic stands out.

I am aware that the mini is also branded under Razorweld for the US/AU markets, and pricing on these is the equivalent of £ 900 - 1000 which is more in line with the Jasic, so the Sherman unit does appear to be considerably cheaper, which does ring alarm bells.

 

[fizzy]

I will bet they are pretty much the same - amazing how many things get rebranded and upsold.
Then again the Chinese will rip off other Chinese companies and copy stuff. The only way to tell is look inside each.

 

[weldequip]

They don't even look the same externally to me, the case mouldings are different and from a cheaper plastic. They'll be a copy.

 

[500e]

Interesting @Bbe555 what other menus hidden

 

[Munkul]

with the Jasic you get the support of some of the best service engineers in the industry + one of the nicest workshops i've ever seen.

interesting - is that Jasic UK's workshop, then?

Service engineers seem to be thin on the ground for a lot of well established welding brands, and some are getting worse, I won't mention names but you'll know a few of who I mean, I guess.

 

[weldequip]

They have fourteen, in house. Best in the business. Their service facilities are also the best in the business.

 

[Tom Orrow L]

interesting - is that Jasic UK's workshop, then?

Service engineers seem to be thin on the ground for a lot of well established welding brands, and some are getting worse, I won't mention names but you'll know a few of who I mean, I guess.

It is indeed, as Steve said, they've got plenty of them and they're all known as the best in the business.. They've also just spent £150,000 into their workshops. They'll let you go and visit if you ask.

 

[Munkul]

It is indeed, as Steve said, they've got plenty of them and they're all known as the best in the business.. They've also just spent £150,000 into their workshops. They'll let you go and visit if you ask.

Fair play. Part of their Wilkinson Star statement:

In March 2011, JASIC was successfully launched on the Shenzhen stock exchange and now has realistic ambitions to become the largest manufacturer of welding inverters in the world today.

Seems reasonable with the amount of lacklustre offerings on the market. If only they could guarantee they didn't run slave labour... some of their products are as good as anything else coming out of china, and it's the support that counts

They aren't ever going to go head to head with top-end american/german machines, but they don't need to... The number of local welding shops selling low to midrange machines now is unreal.

 

[stuvy]

What’s the equivalent jassic priced at? We had one where I used to work but i never once saw it unpacked!

 

[stuvy]

@Bbe555 if your not in a rush I’m interested but Iv got an expensive month ahead with hopefully a new car on the horizon

 

[chrisg3103]

Thought id resurrect this thread instead of starting one, because its to only thread i could find on the sherman 206P!

Despite what anyone says im almost 100% convinced this machine was nailed together by jasic, so much so i bought one, and im now even more convinced...

My evidence so far, this is my 206P ^ promptly delivered from Poland with a pedal for the princely sum of £560, a big risk if it goes up in smoke..
First the only difference i can see to the jasic version is the printing on the control panel, the threaded torch gas connection on the front (rectus on the back and includes a pipe connector) the black plastic is not rubberised. Everything else identical.
Second if you look at the cable, its printed xuanhua, same as jasic supply if you look at the jasic 360 model. Ok hardly damning but its another tick.
I have not had it apart but peering in through the vents all the boards have QR code stickers, indicative of a decent quality controlled production environment, also the bus bars are copper, not aluminum or solder laced pcb's.

Fired it up and it has all the features of the jasic, thought it did away with the electrode selection function to save money but its there, again its just down to the printing on the control panel, just not labeled in the sherman. Now this is my first tig, sort of, have an ancient BOC argonarc but never used it...
So started on some AC welding on aluminium i had laying about, as you do first time out
After about half an hour i was getting the hang of it, and then the fan came on, thats right, fan on demand as well!

From my very, very limited experience its a cracking little machine, super smooth

This is my first attempt at AC and my second time on a tig, have a lot to learn.

So here is an offer, if anyone out there has a jasic 200p they fancy possibly invalidating their warranty by removing the covers, ill do the same to see if they are actually the same inside.
So far im quite pleased with the sherman, being nearly £1000 cheaper than the jasic (£1327 + £180 for pedal) but its a risk, if anything goes wrong im pretty much on my own

 

[Tom Orrow L]

There's no doubt about it, it's 100% made by Jasic. They'll make for anyone in any colour as long as they buy enough. The difference with the UK Jasics is that you get modified and uprated components and some of the best support in the country from Wilkinson Star.

 

[TechnicAl]

Having the biggest and best REPAIR facility........is that a good indicator?

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Despite what anyone says im almost 100% convinced this machine was nailed together by jasic,

Keep us updated on how you get on...I'd like an ACDC TIG and the Sherman is within my budget...It will only get infrequent use mainly as I want to learn how to TIG.

If its a copy they've really gone to town replicating all the case details!

 

[Tom Orrow L]

Having the biggest and best REPAIR facility........is that a good indicator?

The sheer number of them in use warrants this.

 

[chrisg3103]

On no expert by any means but I'll try and keep updated.
I worked for a high technology company for many years on the production side and my logic to buying this machine is based on my experiences.
We built downgraded, cheaper products along side the mega bucks ones, and the same level of care and quality went into both.
Plus, much to the annoyance of the cost cutters, it was cheaper to put the same standard quality components into the cheaper products than keep a stock of separate parts, not saying that's what jasic do, just that it happens.
Where costs may have been cut is in the life testing, to minimize warranty claims the products were put through accelerated life tests, aka, shake and bake a few rounds of environmental chamber and vibration table tests.
The Sherman's are probably built and shipped with minimal testing, just make sure it turns on. And so jasic wont put their name to them or accept any responsibility once they are delivered to the client, in this case a company called tecweld. Its then up to tecweld to guarantee them. Just my 2p

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

^^^...just let us know whether you have any issues with it. I'm seriously thinking about it for the new year but I will probably wait until eBay do a discount code (10% off type thing).

Do Jasic make the machines themselves do you know?....or do they assemble the component parts which are maybe made in China? If the latter then its plausible that the same components are shipped to Poland and assembled there under a different brand maybe?