This Mask 2K ?

[HSGB]

What about this mask for 2K?

If I wore gloves and a paper suit, with the respective filters, what would be wrong with this?

The Scott Promask Single full face respirator provides unrivalled comfort and protection against a wide variety of respiratory hazards. It is lightweight and ergonomically designed for use in a wide variety of industrial applications. This respirator features a unique speech diaphragm which helps transfer clear and audible speech along with a sweat port in the chin pocket providing added comfort during extended wear times. Scott's Promask Single utilises the full range of Scott Pro2000 filters.

Key Features

Halo-butyl elastomer face piece material
Outstanding speech transmission
Easy disinfection, decontamination and maintenance
Wide sealing edge provide superior fit
T bar 5 point head harness for increased wearer comfort and fit
Sweat port in chin pocket providing added comfort during extended wear times
Quick release headband
Slim-line design allows easy integration with helmets, earmuffs and visors
Wide sealing edge provide superior fit
Standards

http://www.protecdirect.co.uk/Half-Masks-and-Full-Masks/PROMASK-Full-Face-Respirator.htm

 

[paintpot]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Isocyanate-A1...515518710&po=&ps=63&clkid=6669950646158381187

 

[malcolm]

While some filter masks are sold as 2K suitable they will rely on 100% sealing between mask to face to be effective. Depends on the risk you want to take I guess. I went for air fed for my work as I didn't believe 100% perfect sealing all the time would be possible.

There is a sticky in this section from someone who used a filter mask and was unlucky. Many more people are lucky with them including a lot of professional painters. It's simply about how much risk you want to take with the stuff vs spending a few hundred for the correct equipment.

 

[paintpot]

air fed 100& we all use them in the body shop.But like you said down to cost and how much spraying are you going to do.its just another alternative
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Devilbiss..._Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item1e5f0b63cb

 

[grim_d]

air fed 100& we all use them in the body shop.But like you said down to cost and how much spraying are you going to do.its just another alternative
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Devilbiss..._Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item1e5f0b63cb

You would also need to filter the air from the compressor with this mask I think, to filter any oil/water/crap from the compressor.

Also remember the compressor (if powerful enough) needs to be situated away from the work area so it sucks in clean air.

2k is such a pain in the ****, about time some of these clever white coat chaps came up with a nice hard and shiny paint system that isn't obscenely dangerous to spray.

 

[HSGB]

Well, it is not the mask that is the problem but the compressor size. My compressor is this:

And it aint gonna run the gun and mask I'm sure.

The trouble is 2K from what I have learnt from a little time is far superior than the others, it just seems pointless bothering with anything else. From what I gather there isn't even a decent 1K lacquer available, what a waste of time!

Maybe I need another compressor to run the mask seperately.

This visor mask with the cartridges has a visor for face/eye protection,. If I wanted to paint some wheels I could do it at my garage double doors on a warm day, surely that would be okay?

 

[rkde]

You need to consider those walking by and living local as it could effect them too, but you could if you wanted too i suppose. Best thing is make sure you and thise around you are safe

 

[grandads_shed]

There is a sticky in this section from someone who used a filter mask and was unlucky. Many more people are lucky with them including a lot of professional painters. It's simply about how much risk you want to take with the stuff vs spending a few hundred for the correct equipment.

http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=14051&highlight=filter+mask

 

[HSGB]

You need to consider those walking by and living local as it could effect them too, but you could if you wanted too i suppose. Best thing is make sure you and thise around you are safe

Our house is up a single track lane and completely isolated so there is no worry about other people. What is the dangers with this stuff when dry? Or is it only dangerous when airborne and/or wet? Also, is it the hardener that is the culprit and not the thinners or actual paint? I am just thinking about handling the stuff. How does everyone clean their guns if they don't have a expensive gun cleaning cabinet?

http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/s...ht=filter+mask

With all due respect, it seems the 3M mask did it's job but, he did not cover his skin up and it was that what caused his affliction. This mask here has a visor and, if I use gloves and a paper suit and wait for a nice day then, do it just inside the garage with the double doors open and the single door on the other side of the garage open, so a gentle through draft is created, I cannot see the problem.

These two masks have been field tested with 2K and passed!

http://www.autopaintsbrighton.co.uk/gerson-disposable-paint-spray-respirator-face-mask-maintenance-free-794-p.asp


http://www.autopaintsbrighton.co.uk/gerson-9000e-series-respirator-face-mask-768-p.asp

 

[Chipper]

With respect you may need to read the post again I think, the skin covering had nothing to do with it. There's a doc in there about what isocyanate paint does and doesn't do. Also in that post I mention a guy who woke up in hospital, because his mask wasn't sealing properly. This wasn't 2k, but shows some people are more susceptible to things than others.
Heard tons of stories of people who've been affected, and others who get away with all sorts. It's a choice, like Malcolm says.

As said above and in the other post, the mask is one thing, but if it doesn't fit 100% then all the testing in the world is completely useless. I've had pricey masks that didn't seal, I test a mask now.

The iso's are in the hardener. When the paint is cured it's harmless, the clouds of paint floating about will of course be dangerous, and cleaning the gun needs a bit of care. Thinners has it's own issues. Always wear gloves (nitrile better than latex).

 

[eil]

I have a similar full face mask I believe its called the Sari nr, I have the PRO2000, CF32 filter on it, I gave Scott a ring to inquire about the best filter for using with 2k. the chap on the phone said I had the best filter on the mask, that would protect against radioactive particles, micro organisms, acid gases and vapours etc, To which I replied "so it ok for 2k then" his reply was I cant tell you that its ok for 2k though, but its the best filter you can buy for that mask. Now make of that answer what you will, but you can give them a ring see what they will tell you.

 

[paintpot]

it seems to me you are in limbo.if you are doing spraying,Get your self a 14 cfm compressor and a air fed mask.You can keep asking these questions.Make a decision.Cost or safety.

 

[langy]

That Scott mask is no good for 2K paint i'm afraid.

 

[eil]

it seems to me you are in limbo.if you are doing spraying,Get your self a 14 cfm compressor and a air fed mask.You can keep asking these questions.Make a decision.Cost or safety.

Thats it in a nutshell, just to add, proper filtration of the air that feeds your air fed mask is also a must.

 

[HSGB]

seems to me you are in limbo.if you are doing spraying,Get your self a 14 cfm compressor and a air fed mask.You can keep asking these questions.Make a decision.Cost or safety.

Right, this is what I am going to do, get another compressor. The one I have will run my gun so, I need another for the mask. I will put a hole through the garage wall so the compressor can draw fresh air via duct from outside.

Paintpot, why do you suggest a 14cfm compressor when the specs for the 'Devilbiss Finishline 'Vizi' Air-Fed Visor' state 7cfm?

See here:

http://www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/product.php?products_id=6400&oscsid=vqc8p2giheja0ch7ncaur0ftd4


Am I not on the right track or something?

 

[Chickenjohn]

You are taking your life in your hands spraying 2K with anything less than wearing a full face air fed mask. And the air must be clean- i.e. the compressor must be nowhere near where you are spraying.

At the very least you are opening up yourself to future chronic health problems, and at the worst, people can and have actually died by being overcome by 2K fumes in a small workshop/ garage.

It is lethal stuff.

 

[langy]

I would assume he is covering both gun and mask drawing air off the same compressor, although it depends on your gun requirements 14cfm might be a bit marginal.
I use that mask also but run mine off a small compressor situated in my small single car garage at the front of my house, It works very well and is worth the money.

Right, this is what I am going to do, get another compressor. The one I have will run my gun so, I need another for the mask. I will put a hole through the garage wall so the compressor can draw fresh air via duct from outside.

Paintpot, why do you suggest a 14cfm compressor when the specs for the 'Devilbiss Finishline 'Vizi' Air-Fed Visor' state 7cfm?

See here:

http://www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/product.php?products_id=6400&oscsid=vqc8p2giheja0ch7ncaur0ftd4


Am I not on the right track or something?

 

[HSGB]

You are taking your life in your hands spraying 2K with anything less than wearing a full face air fed mask. And the air must be clean- i.e. the compressor must be nowhere near where you are spraying.

At the very least you are opening up yourself to future chronic health problems, and at the worst, people can and have actually died by being overcome by 2K fumes in a small workshop/ garage.

It is lethal stuff.

Yep, and as I have just stated, 'I am going to organize another compressor then get this mask.' I can put the compressor that runs the mask somewhere else if need be. Where does everybody else situate their intake for the mask?

 

[paintpot]

i suggest 14cfm because i thought you were running your gun and air fed mask of it With that size compressor there will be less stress on the compressor.Also if its out side and you are going to run a air line.Lets say 26foot.It will cope easily and that's with a air drop,allowing for the length of the air line,and air to the mask ,and running your gun.Spray gun direct ideal mask.This devilbiss mask with belt and filter.The filter on the belt will have a color strip in the filter when it changes color that's when you replace the filter ,you can not go wrong.And as some one suggested a water trap at the compressor.

 

[mantakev]

Hopefully not a thread hijack.....
I would think a carbon filter full face mask as long as it is for vapour would be ok but a face fed air mask would be better, as long as the compressor/tank/filter you have is clean.
I have a large compressor in the garage and was thinking of running the gun and the mask off it( devilbiss mask and filter) but it would be pulling in paint saturated air.... So i was going to run an outside feed to the compressor and pull the air out though a vent fan.. Problem is the compressor pulls 16amp and the motor gives a big spark on start up..
I am afraid the garage will explode