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Right, I wrote to Scott and this is what they said:
Hello,
An Airline or SCBA is recommended for Isocyanate use.
However please see attached for short term filter use which could employ the Promask if the risk assessment allows it.
http://rapidshare.com/files/445938764/Scott_filters_against_Isocyanates.pdf
If anyone wants to have a look at it, click the link above and you can download the small PDF file.
Hello,
An Airline or SCBA is recommended for Isocyanate use.
However please see attached for short term filter use which could employ the Promask if the risk assessment allows it.
http://rapidshare.com/files/445938764/Scott_filters_against_Isocyanates.pdf
If anyone wants to have a look at it, click the link above and you can download the small PDF file.
langy
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Jeez, this thread is just like deja vu, as langy said, some people don't listen.
there are some people that always try to do things on the cheap, frankly it doesn't work like that, it's your health, and as said, it's the long term effects that'll really screw you up.
there are some people that always try to do things on the cheap, frankly it doesn't work like that, it's your health, and as said, it's the long term effects that'll really screw you up.
You are supposed to have a set-up like this
http://www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/product.php?tid=105&products_id=5094
http://www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/product.php?tid=105&products_id=5094
It is I agree, but the conflicting info out there doesn't help does it,when they say breathing apparatus only should be used, then you get the 30/80 day masks being sold, it can get confusing to people. Perhaps we should just direct everyone that asks this type of question to the HSE site or have some sort of prepared answer, send them straight to the paint tutorial and no one comments personally as this is a serious health issue.
Eil (air fed mask user)
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You're right Eil, I've always maintained the same opinion - in fact it's reality, and that is: if you're spraying 2K, use an AIR FED MASK ONLY, then no one can interpret it as anything else.
To be honest I know a lot of the paint suppliers are good guys, and very helpful and give you their opinion, but I'm afraid it's not THEM that'll be applying the paint you buy, it's "you" or should I say "one", so everyone, take responsibility or your own well being. 2K + Airfed =
Also, as far as compressors are concerned (and I only speak from my own experience) I have a 14 cfm comp (rated) and a devilbiss airfed, along with a devilbiss JGA 557, and I have to say my comp will not cope with it all. So I have an additional 7cfm direct drive jobby, plumbed inline, and I can then be sure I'll have enough air. Now I'm not sure about the newer guns, but mine is 25 years old, so I assume that is the prob.
Sorry that was just a little aside thing that i thought I'd add!!!!!!!
To be honest I know a lot of the paint suppliers are good guys, and very helpful and give you their opinion, but I'm afraid it's not THEM that'll be applying the paint you buy, it's "you" or should I say "one", so everyone, take responsibility or your own well being. 2K + Airfed =
Also, as far as compressors are concerned (and I only speak from my own experience) I have a 14 cfm comp (rated) and a devilbiss airfed, along with a devilbiss JGA 557, and I have to say my comp will not cope with it all. So I have an additional 7cfm direct drive jobby, plumbed inline, and I can then be sure I'll have enough air. Now I'm not sure about the newer guns, but mine is 25 years old, so I assume that is the prob.
Sorry that was just a little aside thing that i thought I'd add!!!!!!!
langy
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The HVLP guns i use won't run off a 14cfm if an airfed mask is used, I run the airfed off a smaller compressor.
You're right Eil, I've always maintained the same opinion - in fact it's reality, and that is: if you're spraying 2K, use an AIR FED MASK ONLY, then no one can interpret it as anything else.
To be honest I know a lot of the paint suppliers are good guys, and very helpful and give you their opinion, but I'm afraid it's not THEM that'll be applying the paint you buy, it's "you" or should I say "one", so everyone, take responsibility or your own well being. 2K + Airfed =
Also, as far as compressors are concerned (and I only speak from my own experience) I have a 14 cfm comp (rated) and a devilbiss airfed, along with a devilbiss JGA 557, and I have to say my comp will not cope with it all. So I have an additional 7cfm direct drive jobby, plumbed inline, and I can then be sure I'll have enough air. Now I'm not sure about the newer guns, but mine is 25 years old, so I assume that is the prob.
Sorry that was just a little aside thing that i thought I'd add!!!!!!!
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That's a good suggestion eil to have somewhere to point people for information about masks. So far on the forum we have http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/paint-safety.htm which has a few links to some other info.
Could that page be improved? Suggestions much appreciated.
It's a real problem - I know my local professional paint sprayer uses filter masks to keep his costs down. Guess what - he's unwell at the moment and will not be able to take on work for the foreseeable future. Bloody idiot!
It's a real pain in the **** to find a decent paint sprayer. At the very least we should try to put together decent info or links for the professionals to refer to so when we find a good one they might be available to paint our stuff for more than a couple of years.
The paint shops selling masks that kill you while saying "oh yes it's fine for 2K" are really not helpful in this respect.
Could that page be improved? Suggestions much appreciated.
It's a real problem - I know my local professional paint sprayer uses filter masks to keep his costs down. Guess what - he's unwell at the moment and will not be able to take on work for the foreseeable future. Bloody idiot!
It's a real pain in the **** to find a decent paint sprayer. At the very least we should try to put together decent info or links for the professionals to refer to so when we find a good one they might be available to paint our stuff for more than a couple of years.
The paint shops selling masks that kill you while saying "oh yes it's fine for 2K" are really not helpful in this respect.
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Malcolm, I think the "paint-safety" page is more than ok, think I'd only remove the line:
"It might be OK if it fits absolutely prefectly, and you've just shaved etc"
And possibly replace it with something like:
"Please be aware that the paint supplier is not the guy spraying, it's YOU, so please take proper precautions when applying any 2-pack paints - We would strongly advise anyone wishing to spray 2-pack, to use an Air-Fed full face mask, run from a suitable filtered compressed air supply, and that the compressor is well away from the spraying area - and drawing clean fresh air."
That's all I'd change, the rest is spot on!!
"It might be OK if it fits absolutely prefectly, and you've just shaved etc"
And possibly replace it with something like:
"Please be aware that the paint supplier is not the guy spraying, it's YOU, so please take proper precautions when applying any 2-pack paints - We would strongly advise anyone wishing to spray 2-pack, to use an Air-Fed full face mask, run from a suitable filtered compressed air supply, and that the compressor is well away from the spraying area - and drawing clean fresh air."
That's all I'd change, the rest is spot on!!
