Today I acquired...........

[zeppelin builder]

He went home, saying he started at 5am so he could.
I now have to add that to my list of jobs to do.
Fugger it.

Well, in this case she was right - he was 88 iirc.....

SWMBO SAID SOC

 

[zeppelin builder]

Sorry - to digress for a moment, that reminds me - we had a "Head of Quality" some time ago, who had charge of "inspection" . .. one day he asks "what's the difference between an external and internal micrometer?" (We'll leave the obvious question of how you get to be Head of Quality for an engineering firm without some idea . . . ) - the reply he was given was "it's waterproof so you can use it outside . . ."

remember at a yard in montrose a posse of inspectors appearing at a big subsea flange we were busy welding .
the ring groove had been re machined due to bad storage . the main man was supposedly checking the dimensons
and piped up if only i had a depth gauge in front of the camel coat brigade
a perfect bust i thought! and asked if i could show him , the bit that pokes out the bottom is the depth gauge
one very embarrased chancer with a face so red as a tomato

 

[Arc Tourist]

10x Bosch CCTV cameras
Trouble is......I didn't order them
Someone is going to be cheesed off, as the package weighed a ton.....and they are going for anything £100+ on the bay...View attachment 316496

It may be unrelated, but google this. ...............................> Amazon Parcel "Brushing" Scam.

 

[selectedgrub]

A good bit of NZ kit
Model 76

 

[Arc Tourist]

Ok, cough up, what is it ?

Too early in the morning here to think as the caffeine hasn't kicked in; only had two cups of coffee so far.

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

Ok, cough up, what is it ?

Too early in the morning here to think as the caffeine hasn't kicked in; only had two cups of coffee so far.

Only two, catch up.

 

[slim_boy_fat]

SWMBO SAID SOC

OK, you've got me there

 

[lchris21]

It may be unrelated, but google this. ...............................> Amazon Parcel "Brushing" Scam.

I've no idea what or why a brushing scam is, and it's not from Amazon. All know I'm sitting on £1500+ of CCTV gear which will be recycled as used on eBay unless someone shows up at my door to collect them....

 

[Other Daniel]

I've no idea what or why a brushing scam is, and it's not from Amazon. All know I'm sitting on £1500+ of CCTV gear which will be recycled as used on eBay unless someone shows up at my door to collect them....

You could always initiate contact with the transport company, and inform
them that it has been wrongly delivered.

 

[Bullet2012]

I've no idea what or why a brushing scam is, and it's not from Amazon. All know I'm sitting on £1500+ of CCTV gear which will be recycled as used on eBay unless someone shows up at my door to collect them....

Are you legally allowed to keep them ?

 

[knighty]

Are you legally allowed to keep them ?

nope, have to do your best to return them, or you can be liable for the cost

you can charge storage, but it has to be reasonable

 

[Munkul]

Are you legally allowed to keep them ?

He isn't, unless he takes further steps and the sender allows him to keep them.

1968 Theft Act - Basic definition of theft.​

A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it

Section 2 of the 1968 Act specifies that appropriation is not dishonest if the person doing it believes that. They have a legal right to take the property; or. The owner would agree to their taking it if they knew about it; or. They could not find the person to whom the property belongs by taking reasonable steps.

If he keeps shtum and sells them straight away, he has satisfied both parts of the definition of theft.

If he at least gives the sender time to find out where they have gone, say 6 months, he could argue that (loosely) he gave the property owner enough time to discover where they had been sent and to contact him.
But to be sure, he's be better contacting someone, to prove the "reasonable steps to find the property owner"

For low value items, the property owner would rarely care about mis-deliveries so it becomes moot, however for £1500 worth there's a good chance that The owner would not agree to their taking it if they knew about it

 

[James1979]

I've no idea what or why a brushing scam is, and it's not from Amazon. All know I'm sitting on £1500+ of CCTV gear which will be recycled as used on eBay unless someone shows up at my door to collect them....

brushing is where they send unsolicited stuff to you to boost feedback on eBay or Amazon. It’s why people selling power tools, for example, will have 10,000 positive feedback but if you click on the items 9500 of them are for unrelated crap like hairgrips.

usually the items they use for brushing scams are worthless crap.

You have to take reasonable steps to return it. The Test of what’s reasonable is the issue. There was a scam of scrotes nicking bikes in town a then taking them to town b, and handing them in as lost property, knowing they wouldn’t be claimed, and effectively using the police to ‘launder’ them

The police guidance nowadays for lost property is an ad on a community face ache group or similar. I reckon if you put an ad up saying is anyone expecting a delivery from xxx and no one replies then that would be reasonable if there is no return address. It’s odd there’s no way of tracking or contact with carrier to help.

 

[Arc Tourist]

A couple of British new old stock spark plug wrenches. Needed one of this type for the Bantam bike tool kit. Worth a £5'er for the pair.

 

[25.4_mechanic]

He isn't, unless he takes further steps and the sender allows him to keep them.



If he keeps shtum and sells them straight away, he has satisfied both parts of the definition of theft.

If he at least gives the sender time to find out where they have gone, say 6 months, he could argue that (loosely) he gave the property owner enough time to discover where they had been sent and to contact him.
But to be sure, he's be better contacting someone, to prove the "reasonable steps to find the property owner"

For low value items, the property owner would rarely care about mis-deliveries so it becomes moot, however for £1500 worth there's a good chance that The owner would not agree to their taking it if they knew about it

I have long understood that on your funny island / islands so much is different ... but I would have been very surprised if your laws were completely different on this point.
Everything belongs to someone - over there even the wild swans belong to someone.

He better take some reasonable steps, because he can't talk himself out on ignorance anymore ...

Carsten

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[lchris21]

Lol...what jar of worms.
Courier company......Hermes. need I say more. I'll not be dealing with them in no way shape or form.
If they knock and ask for them, then they can have them. Otherwise I'll be disposing of them as I'm not a missing parcel holding company

 

[Ubique]

He isn't, unless he takes further steps and the sender allows him to keep them.





If he keeps shtum and sells them straight away, he has satisfied both parts of the definition of theft.

If he at least gives the sender time to find out where they have gone, say 6 months, he could argue that (loosely) he gave the property owner enough time to discover where they had been sent and to contact him.
But to be sure, he's be better contacting someone, to prove the "reasonable steps to find the property owner"

For low value items, the property owner would rarely care about mis-deliveries so it becomes moot, however for £1500 worth there's a good chance that The owner would not agree to their taking it if they knew about it

And this mini-thread encapsulates everything that's good & bad about 'the internet'!

 

[James1979]

My 2p would be register letter to Hermes with track ref saying you’ve 7 days to get them or they are mine.

did the same when I got some unsolicited tools sent on my account from a tool place I used to use. Amazing how quick they can arrange pickup….

 

[dobbslc]

Lol...what jar of worms.
Courier company......Hermes. need I say more. I'll not be dealing with them in no way shape or form.
If they knock and ask for them, then they can have them. Otherwise I'll be disposing of them as I'm not a missing parcel holding company

I ordered some CCTV gear last week, can I have them back please?
If you send me your bank details I'll pay for the courier to collect them...

 

[Blobber]

10x Bosch CCTV cameras
Trouble is......I didn't order them
Someone is going to be cheesed off, as the package weighed a ton.....and they are going for anything £100+ on the bay...View attachment 316496

Funnily enough weve had the same with a big box of what I assume is craft type stuff, not opened the box but did open the invoice on the packing, emailed the company a week ago to say correct address but wrong people, no one in our area with the names either, basically said to the company get it collected or I dispose of the parcel, its been a week now with no response so just sent another email saying im not storing the parcel any longer and its getting disposed of, i might take it into one of the charity shops