ajlelectronics
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In particular, I believe that facial hair can prevent the seal working on a non air fed mask.
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Weldinator
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While we are on the subject of the sealed mask.
I watch Wheeler dealers the other day, they used a pro to paint the red Alfa iirc, Edd was going on and on about using an air fed mask due to health and safety from poisonous spray.
Then straight after, the camera went to the sprayer only to see in one shot that the mask under his chin was wide open and no doubt letting in 2k fumes. No wonder they decided to go with another sprayer a few series later.
Just because someone does something every day doesn't mean they are 'professional' does it, seen a few pictures of this painters work on the programme and noticed a few not so good bits on the cars.
A pro would make sure every safety aspect has been covered imo.
I watch Wheeler dealers the other day, they used a pro to paint the red Alfa iirc, Edd was going on and on about using an air fed mask due to health and safety from poisonous spray.
Then straight after, the camera went to the sprayer only to see in one shot that the mask under his chin was wide open and no doubt letting in 2k fumes. No wonder they decided to go with another sprayer a few series later.
Just because someone does something every day doesn't mean they are 'professional' does it, seen a few pictures of this painters work on the programme and noticed a few not so good bits on the cars.
A pro would make sure every safety aspect has been covered imo.
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was it an air fed?
they have a foam seal inside so it may have looked that way
and as for the word professional, it only means they do it for a living not that they are any good at it
they have a foam seal inside so it may have looked that way
and as for the word professional, it only means they do it for a living not that they are any good at it
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I could see the white overalls he was wearing through the mask and the saggy under mask being air fed like Edd's one was when both were in the spray booth.
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You would be so very surprised !!!
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If their painting in a proper booth then the fumes are being extracted through the ventilation system.The painter at work doesn't use an air fed mask when he's in the booth just a replaceable filter mask.
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they should still use an air fed in the booth as the isocyanate is still in the air and can be inhaled through a standard type mask due to bad fitment HSE would have a field day walking into a paint shop as you describe.
have a look here page 14
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I thought there was NO filter available to filter isocynates, hence the reason for air fed?
No, it's particles of paint cloud that need filtering, relatively large. Airfed exists because it's safer & more reliable, than chuckaways.
Compared to the cost of a pro respray, airfed is notalot of £s, especially a few jobs down the line.
Threads like this can go on forever. Bottom line, everyone has to make the choice whether to risk a chuckaway or not.
Compared to the cost of a pro respray, airfed is notalot of £s, especially a few jobs down the line.
Threads like this can go on forever. Bottom line, everyone has to make the choice whether to risk a chuckaway or not.
Hi Anto,
That might help answer your question.http://www.srsafety.com/upl/files/5995.pdf
I also contacted the manufactor which told me that in the UK the gov recommend an air feed mask. I don't know about Ireland.
He also told that in other european country it might not be mandatory depending on the country.
Agree with you Chipper, I got my answer few post ago. A airfed mask is not so much the problem to me as few hundred get you sorted.
It is more the lack of filtration and spray booth which can cause problem to my surrounding environment, which is annoying me the most and it is why I am not going to use 2K.
I might be overly safe or not but I am not doing to take any risks.
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thats not the case its the isocyanates that are the issue here other paints are fine to use with carbon filter masks
Thank you superfly.
So there is a filter available for isocynates and can be used in conjunction with a full face mask.
The half mask i bought to use with the waterbased is a sundstrom as in the link and they also had the full mask available.
Il check the filter i got with it to see how it compares with those in the link.
Its exactly the issue, the question was whether iso's can be filtered at all, which they can. They aren't anywhere except mixed in with paint, they're perfectly filter-able. But the question of what gear is suitable/safe/best to filter them, and the choice etc is another thing.
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Yes they can be filtered but the cartridges don't last very long at all and unlike air fed which will give positive pressure all around the mask seal guaranteeing no isocanates get into your lungs the cartridge masks are no guarantee that you will stay healthy so given the repeat costs of carbon filters and the health risk then why not just get the air fed you only get one life is saving a few quid more important then your health ?
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All the above I have no problem with agreeing totally. The issue as I see it AND purely for the keen DIYers who are in the majority here is not a choice of buying a gasper or an air fed, its the compressor required to drive mask and gun on one line, not to mention the recomended filters. Your average diy compressor will struggle with afore said set up. when 2k first came on the market I had no choice but to get a 3ph unit to drive it.
Nick
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That's very true, definitely painful at first shelling out for the mask + 3-stage + second 3hp comp.
Folk will read things and hear of people who've been OK for years with chuckaways, and want to believe it's all OK, and most will be but a few come a cropper. Like Snoop says what price your health, but threads will come up 'cos people will want £15 masks to be fine, just natural really.
Folk will read things and hear of people who've been OK for years with chuckaways, and want to believe it's all OK, and most will be but a few come a cropper. Like Snoop says what price your health, but threads will come up 'cos people will want £15 masks to be fine, just natural really.
