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All ISO free.
If you have asthma I think you need to be careful Isos or not. If not then it's your choice... If you go on some US forum there are plenty of people spraying 2k with half masks but I doubt anyone is going to tell you to do it.
All ISO free.
If you have asthma I think you need to be careful Isos or not. If not then it's your choice... If you go on some US forum there are plenty of people spraying 2k with half masks but I doubt anyone is going to tell you to do it.
Nic Jackson
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Guys
I am at present restoring a Military vehicle and have been mixing 2K paint and hardner in very small quantities ( just covers bottom of a jam jar) to brush paint nuts and bolts etc once they are on the vehicle.
I have just used a normal mask and sometimes not, I always have the garage door open to allow for ventilation. I didn't fully realise the dangers of the product I have been using.... I.E I thought it was only dangerous in mist form as in if it was being sprayed.
I have read through this thread and there seems to be a few conflicting opinions, can anyone give me any advice how I should proceed in the future.
Regards
Nic
I am at present restoring a Military vehicle and have been mixing 2K paint and hardner in very small quantities ( just covers bottom of a jam jar) to brush paint nuts and bolts etc once they are on the vehicle.
I have just used a normal mask and sometimes not, I always have the garage door open to allow for ventilation. I didn't fully realise the dangers of the product I have been using.... I.E I thought it was only dangerous in mist form as in if it was being sprayed.
I have read through this thread and there seems to be a few conflicting opinions, can anyone give me any advice how I should proceed in the future.
Regards
Nic
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Nic this extract is taken from the HSE's inspection guidance pack (used by HSE inspectors when visiting motor body repair shops:
"Sources of isocyanate exposure - Spray painting is the main and often the only source. Spray- gun cleaning, if done in an ad-hoc 'home-made' way can cause high exposures. In the past it was thought that paint mixing, rollering and brushing and dry sanding of newly applied 2-pack paint film could cause isocyanate exposure but HSL tests show that this isn't the case. These facts make the isocyanate exposure control task simpler; bodyshops need to concentrate on paint spraying and spray-gun cleaning. "
"Sources of isocyanate exposure - Spray painting is the main and often the only source. Spray- gun cleaning, if done in an ad-hoc 'home-made' way can cause high exposures. In the past it was thought that paint mixing, rollering and brushing and dry sanding of newly applied 2-pack paint film could cause isocyanate exposure but HSL tests show that this isn't the case. These facts make the isocyanate exposure control task simpler; bodyshops need to concentrate on paint spraying and spray-gun cleaning. "
Nic Jackson
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Thanks Fintray for the quick reply and putting my mind at rest
Regards
Nic
Regards
Nic
I have just read this thread with some interest. At the age of 53 i have spent all of my working life in the boat trade. During this time i have sprayed quite a few boats with a few gallons of 2k, usually polyurethane based. I have always used carbon filters but after reading through this wont be doing it again. I just had a scare from sanding cured epoxy hi build primer & wont be doing that again without a respirator either!
Wow, what a valuable thread. This could save people's lives. It has scared the heck out of me.
Today I sprayed some 2k primer and paint from a rattle can. The kind you push a pin on the bottom to mix. I wore a charcoal type mask that covers mouth and nose and a full face mask like you might use for grinding but not sealed around the eyes. Area was fairly well ventilated but not a paint booth.
Afterwards I felt slightly off which led me here. It's been 2-3 hours so I assume I will not be passing out and hopefully no long term damage. Any symptoms I should watch for in next few hours?
This stuff should really be banned in rattle cans. I bought it from Eastwood, a company here in the US that mainly supplies hobbyists like myself. Sure, the warnings about "proper equipment" are there but they should spell out in laymans terms, what that means.
Hopefully others read this FIRST.
Today I sprayed some 2k primer and paint from a rattle can. The kind you push a pin on the bottom to mix. I wore a charcoal type mask that covers mouth and nose and a full face mask like you might use for grinding but not sealed around the eyes. Area was fairly well ventilated but not a paint booth.
Afterwards I felt slightly off which led me here. It's been 2-3 hours so I assume I will not be passing out and hopefully no long term damage. Any symptoms I should watch for in next few hours?
This stuff should really be banned in rattle cans. I bought it from Eastwood, a company here in the US that mainly supplies hobbyists like myself. Sure, the warnings about "proper equipment" are there but they should spell out in laymans terms, what that means.
Hopefully others read this FIRST.
the snooper
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the problem with charcoal filter masks is that they work on negative pressure ie when you breath in, if the mask isn't a perfect seal to your face you can pull in paint, where as an air fed mask is constantly pushing air out of the face seal so nothing can be pulled in through you inhaling, if you feel ok you should be fine
Thanks for the prompt reply. The downside to the Internet is reverse placebo effect, you can start imagining symptoms!
I had mask on pretty tight and it was only a can for a fairly brief period of time. No symptoms beyond paranoia! Still, I will not even consider using this stuff again without proper equipment.
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yes self diagnosis isn't the best thing available on the internet
The Eastwood primer is 2k epoxy primer it has no isos. The clear does have isos. Was your mask new?
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A bump for this thread.
I had noticed for a while that my compressor seemed to have rather a lot of white paint on it. I assumed, possibly correctly that it was due to the fan on the motor. Anyway, today I had reason to look at the intake end of the compressor and found to my horror that the flexible fresh air feed hose was starting to fall apart. One large split, plus many smaller ones. As the compressor is in the same workshop where I spray, that is clearly rather serious.
For some while, I have had congestion and Rhinitis that the doctor has put down to a pet allergy. However, according to the HSE information, isocyanates can also be the cause, so it has me wondering, although I only spray iso paint a few times a year and the compressor is shielded from direct line of sight to the paint booth.
A have a new hose on order and will give more thought to my previously abandoned plan to get the compressor outside in some sort of shed.
I had noticed for a while that my compressor seemed to have rather a lot of white paint on it. I assumed, possibly correctly that it was due to the fan on the motor. Anyway, today I had reason to look at the intake end of the compressor and found to my horror that the flexible fresh air feed hose was starting to fall apart. One large split, plus many smaller ones. As the compressor is in the same workshop where I spray, that is clearly rather serious.
For some while, I have had congestion and Rhinitis that the doctor has put down to a pet allergy. However, according to the HSE information, isocyanates can also be the cause, so it has me wondering, although I only spray iso paint a few times a year and the compressor is shielded from direct line of sight to the paint booth.
A have a new hose on order and will give more thought to my previously abandoned plan to get the compressor outside in some sort of shed.
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