I can't remember 100% if I used them on a 161,but there are machines out there that won't run them at all.esab inverters like the 2200 acdc won't strike them up at all
Ive always felt 6011 arent as good as 6010s...........personally I only know of one 6011 and thats the Nufive. Jack of all trades master of none.
Long long ago just about every line pipe joint was welded with Lincoln Fleetweld 5P. It was even specified in British Gas documents, you couldnt use anything else. Lincoln made them in the USA and in the UK (welwyn garden city) but decided that the UK wasnt the place to be so pulled out and sold up to GKN......which became GKN Lincoln Electric but had no connection to the USA Lincoln.
The GKN struggled to make the 5P as they couldnt get the cellulose.......USA Lincoln make their own and wouldnt supply it to the UK. So GKN developed Nu5 as a replacement and called it a 6011 as that spec also covers 6010........and they thought this may give it an edge.......but it wasnt very good and never was accepted by the pipewelders.......No pipe joint has ever been welded using AC.
My former boss Ralph Yeo was the Technical Director of GKN Lincoln Electric so between us we knew the history. I still see Ralph he lives around the corner. Hes 80 odd now.
Later Lincoln started producing in Europe again, in France, and it took ages to get them accepted. We would get orders stating they had to be USA made. I had to have affidavits printed and sent out to confirm they were USA made. Eventually we got the French product to perform possibly better than the US product and then Lincoln decided to close France and move it all to Spain........so we had to start again. They later closed France and only produced in the USA but by this time the popularity of the product and the sales had fallen because the Bohler Cel70 was performing better and didnt have the uncertainty Lincoln had developed due to the constant change of manufacturing location.
The cellulose is like wallpaper paste, in fact wallpaper paste is also used but only in small amounts. Its CMC carboxy methyl cellulose. Its very light and very fluffy so its very difficult to mix together with heavy minerals....like mixing sand and wallpaper paste.
So Lincoln made their own which was presoaked, dried, crushed and sieved to form a more granular product. This made the Fleetweld 5P and 5P+ almost untouchable for many many years. If they hadnt messed about the competition would never have had a look in but thats management for you.
But they were predominently used from a DC 400 rectifier driven by a big genny on the back of a Cat Tractor. The fisrt time we heard about the problems with inverters was about 2005 ish when we sold a load of 5P+ to an Italian outfit and they said they wouldnt weld........so off we went to see what the problem was and..........they wouldnt weld. We brought them back home and they were OK.......but we were using a DC400........and then we found out they were using Inverters...........Lincoln inverters......no one ever imagined they would be used for 6010s.
So ok I guess inverters will struggle with running them I've seen rapid weld sell Lincoln 5g 6010s but what makes theserods so hard to run A 2.5 surly won't need any more the 90 amps and it says on the speak sheet dcplus is it to do with the voltage drop keeping the tight arc maybe I should just buy them get all four machines out run a rod with v up open root plate video it and then we will see the results I guess
They'll run if you can keep a short arc, but 6010/11 are run with a whip and pause motion to control the heat input into the puddle when doing open root. When you whip, if there isn't enough voltage reserves in the machine, the arc goes out.
If you're only interested in doing vertical up open root, don't waste your time with 6010/11, plenty of other rods that will work fine for that application. They come into their own when you want to do downhill roots.
No no I want to do pipe roots with 7018 caps but I don't want to cut a load of pipe up bevel it tack it up and none of the rods run cuz of my machines as I can cut plate and bevel it a lot quicker
Yeah I've got fincord m supercito 7018 should of bought some commits and I've got murex 6013s my spezials only come out when dad is gunna pay me for work
Ok then let me have a think I'm off work today due to had something in my eye got an infection right well so I've been looking about what rod bar a 6010 or 11 would any one use then as a root run would a vodex be any good
If you want to make your life as difficult as possible, try rooting with a 7024... The reason 6010/11 was invented was to make open roots easy and fast. If you want to run easy and fast open roots then use the right rod for the job, and find the right machine to run them.
As I said, give me your address, I'll send you 10x 2.5mm nufive for free so you can check before spending £80 of your hard earned on the offchance you can run them.
Just try the nu5, that's a kind offer from Hugh. They should run on your machines - in fact, they will probably even run on high voltage AC quite nicely (I've not tried the nu5 brand on AC personally but I have used cheap ones just fine). TechnicalAl knows his stuff and doesn't consider them to be as good as proper 6010 rods, but I can certainly say that although this may be true they're still a fantastic rod and I am sure that you will find them ok.
Ohh don't take me wrong I know technicalAl and. Hughf are very knowledgeable ppl im not disputing the fact in this world I know how to to stick stuff together im far aaway from knowing all these guys knowledge and skill and like I said ill never know everything in this world as its ever changing and your right its an incredible offer