For some reason the picture/link didnt show that showed they had done it until I quoted your reply!
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The risk picture will only become clearer when we have numbers of EVs similar to ICE I would think....I remember watching a show about Concorde where they originally thought it was one of the safest planes....then they realised that it really wasn't!
There were very low numbers of Concorde flights so the high risk was being masked by low exposure to risk...currently EV numbers are very low...time will tell me thinks either way
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PHEV batteries are a lot smaller so I would have thought their risk might be lower?...at least thats how my head looked at it
There were very low numbers of Concorde flights so the high risk was being masked by low exposure to risk...currently EV numbers are very low...time will tell me thinks either way
.PHEV batteries are a lot smaller so I would have thought their risk might be lower?...at least thats how my head looked at it
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Yeah right. How exactly does that reduce the amount of CO2 going into the atmosphere? Replacing fossil fuel with biomass derived fuel? Get real.
Back in the stone age everything was hand powered. Then someone harnessed fire and domesticated animals for doing work, then water power. Later the industrial Revolution used external combustion engines to raise steam to drive machinery and for transport. Then along came large electrical generators (driven by various energy sources) which have powered the majority of electrical processes over the last century. There are more electric motors driving machinery than ever before - and certainly more electric motors thar internal combustion engines.
Unfortunately the Industrial revolution has used so much sequestered materials for the greatly increased energy requirements over the last couple of centuries that the human race is rapidly destroying the environment required for humans to comfortably survive. Pray tell us how, and from where, these synthetic fuels will be acquired, in amounts needed to replace fossil fuels. That is without trashing our only planet, for s short-term gain.
I am sorry, but I think you have your head in the sand. You are totally missing the point - THE BIG PICTURE.. The only time there will be enough surplus energy is when atomic fusion becomes our energy generation saviour, or space technology collects energy outside our planet and beams it down. Both a very long way in the future - well, maybe not but I don’t think our planet will have the time to rely on those technologies arriving before fossil fuel burning completely trashes our environment.
Because digging up lithium in quantity is good for the planet. How did i not realise. How silly of me.
Wait until we have groundwater contamination from all the litihum that goes straight to landfill. Another ticking timebomb. Dont seem to learn do we?
Do you really believe that buggering around with car propulsion systems is going to have the slightest effect on how the climate changes. We may well have set a train motion with our behaviours over the last 200 years, but the idea that we will change its trajectory is pie in the sky.
Especially as most of world isnt going to join us.
I suspect that we will spend all our money (that we dont actually have) for no useful change to that trajectory, and when we finally wake up, have none left to adapt to live with the changes that do occur.
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I am pro nuclear - plus I question if biomass is the right way to go - as with a growing population - food needs to be grown - or the population needs to reduce.
So yes I think you made some good points above
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The synthetic fuel I'm thinking of is the recent innovation which is made from base components...they construct a liquid hydrocarbon fuel from hydrogen (in water) and carbon (from the atmosphere)...it's quite ingenious....plus a lot of electricity (from renewables hopefully).
Sadly it isn't yet industrial scale...does seem to be quite a neat solution given that existing ICE engines can use it I believe.
Stick that synthetic fuel in a PHEV and I reckon it's job done...say 40 mile electric range for clean city use and then zero carbon liquid fuel for long distance.
Microsoft are already using hydrogen fuel cells at some of their datacentres, so other options already exist.
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Unfortunately I think that (like most legislation seems to be now - & especially any "initiative" hitched to the "Green" wagon) - its primary purpose is hidden behind the stated one.
An EV takes something like 70+% more raw materials (especially the more limited and hard to extract minerals) to manufacture, with a corresponding hike in "carbon footprint" over its ICE counterpart. So there us a huge deficit that the EV needs to "make up" from the moment it rolls into a showroom.
Then, the sleight of hand Green trick the EV largely pulls off - isn't to be all that Green in use either - because it simply hides its energy & emissions somewhere else where it isn't immediately visible (no tailpipe, see!).
Objectively I cannot see how forcing everyone out of their ICE's into EV's (at least as they are), and for the forseeable without massive improvement & heavy infrastructure investment (more environmental impact as well) actually addresses or achieves anything regarding "saving the planet". In short, as the "Green" initiative it's sold to us & justified as.... it makes no sense......
However, getting people to adopt new more expensive vehicles that cannot be maintained and used practically indefinitely (like older ICE's can be) and killing off / legislating /outlawing any EV alternative...... does guarantee an increased turnover of new vehicles, along of course with the associated Revenue generated in perpetuity.
So, the EV gives the consumer a more complex, controlled, limited, shorter-life, disposable (but not actually recyclable!) Product, that ultimately must INCREASE the amount of vehicles manufactured & sold massively for an equivalent level of use versus an ICE.
That doesn't sound like a "carbon neutral, planet-saving initiative to me.... it sounds like a scam.
Capitalism at its best folks! Our economies and financial structure & society are utterly dependent upon consumerism (the secret is in the name). "Make do & mend" or genuine reductions, cutbacks in consumption by the populace just doesn't raise the tax revenue, fill the coffers, sustain the vast national debt etc etc etc.
The trick that EV's (& many other so-called "green" legislation) tries to pull off (& the success & wide acceptance of such pretty thin fabrications without question or challenge is what's worrying) is to actually INCREASE consumption & INCREASE environmental impact at the same time..... but make it look & feel to the consumer like they are actually helping the environment at the same time.
If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, swims like a duck & quacks like a duck - then it's a duck.
(Unless of course, its a Goverment Initiative Green Duck - then its guaranteed to be something else more cynical & sinister entirely
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I reckon in a few years you'll jump in your EV and the car will ask you to justify why you can't use public transport for your journey before it will even start!
...or you'll have to pay with a card for the miles you want to do
...or you'll have to pay with a card for the miles you want to do
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And it will be like the temple of doom, poison darts and a large stone ball rolling down on you.
The last few posts have been the funniest pessimistic drivel I've read for ages!
I can't decide if I don't think about things enough, don't follow/watch enough conspiracy programs or whether I just take a common sense view on life . . .
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I worry where the electric is coming from to run all these units Cars, Lorry's, Busses, MC, and home heating in houses that were not built to retain heat.
Not to mention aircraft ships trains etc.
No coal /gas stations, wood pellets from the other side of the Atlantic and not as Environmentally friendly as we are led to believe
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Not to mention aircraft ships trains etc.
No coal /gas stations, wood pellets from the other side of the Atlantic and not as Environmentally friendly as we are led to believe
Discuss
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I think these threads make me thankful my life has become simple. I don't worry about this stuff anymore. The world will continue without me so while I am here I might as well enjoy it rather than worry about it. If I get upset about it my blood pressure will rise and I will probably expire. That won't help anyone. If we all end up with EVs then whoopie, if not, we will have to use whatever is available. Moaning or worrying just doesn't help!
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