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Bit harsh to just wipe out car ownership from anyone who lives in a high rise just because ... they live in a high rise though...? Although Sadiq is pretty much saying poor people cannot own a car if they live within the M25 so I guess he has paved the way for sweeping policies like this that remove choice from normal people.
Sadiq - well transport for london - not too keen on motorcycles either - erasing all the parking bays.
I thought motorcycles were a good thing for congestion.
Don't rule out the GILFs...There are some fit 55yr old MILFs about ....![]()
To be fair, this is no different to when I used to run my mgv6 back and forth up to north and east wales. Sure, filling up was slower than Petrol, not as slow as EV though. I'm not sure I would appreviate 45 minutes at Welshpool, Oswestry or Newtown on a winters evening.Doing a fair bit of research at motorway services this week end at the EV charging bays ( we get our Citroen Brlingo EV on Tuesday & hand back the 2.2 turbo diesel drunkard ) everyone of the dozen or more drivers we spoke to who were either about to get into their EV or were sat outside in the sunshine said that the problem of having to have multiple apps to get a charge has all but disappeared in the last 10 months , as most are now wipe the card and charge machines so good if you don't have a smart phone . The four Tesla drivers were brilliant , a wealth of info , none of the EV drivers we spoke to ever want to return to gas & oil burners . Most did the majority of their charging at home and were only service station charging because of long distance journeys , two of the drivers had access to their big power walls at home which helped a lot , five of the drivers worked mainly from home .
All of them said it is a step change from the old way of driving and takes a few days to get comfortable with using them . The biggest thing that they all said is you need a few seconds to plan new journeys to places you've not visited in an EV to find and record the charging places as it stops run out of battery power anxiety & there are several good apps that now contain such info .
I know, but when you were 18, mid fifties was positively ancient. Women of this age generally dress and look a lot younger nowadays too, or is it just a sign of getting oldThats quite ageist……55 year old women are young birds to many of us, with or with out a charging point to plug into
What do you think?I know, but when you were 18, mid fifties was positively ancient. Women of this age generally dress and look a lot younger nowadays too, or is it just a sign of getting old![]()
some EVs are cheap in comparison to the ever popular Rangie at 699 a month or Disco for that matter. Rich and poor is a relative thing. I think the point is long term value for money. In reality they are still relatively unproven. Its not uncommon for a van, pick up or normal car to be bimbling along at 15 years old it may have had several owners but the cost per year is far less than something full of expensive tech thats not cost effective to repair at 7 or 8 years old.But for me, the bottom line is the cost. Not so much the electricity to charge it, but the outlay to buy the thing in the first place, and for me, that makes it a complete non starter. From that point of view, there is nothing further to discuss or argue about. At the moment, they are very much a rich persons thing.
some EVs are cheap in comparison to the ever popular Rangie at 699 a month or Disco for that matter. Rich and poor is a relative thing. I think the point is long term value for money. In reality they are still relatively unproven. Its not uncommon for a van, pick up or normal car to be bimbling along at 15 years old it may have had several owners but the cost per year is far less than something full of expensive tech thats not cost effective to repair at 7 or 8 years old.
And while on the subject of cost effective Ive been invited to test drive an Ineos Grenadier!
Well, there's hardly any that are going out as outright sales where I work, most are 'virtue signallers' with a PCP or other lease, we do see a lot of BEV company cars, presumably taking advantage of the low company car tax rate....From that point of view, there is nothing further to discuss or argue about. At the moment, they are very much a rich persons thing.
I watched that Panorama programme.This thread is going on and on, like the gift that keeps on giving.
There was a Panorama programme on BBC tonight about EVs which was interesting.
As I have said, I run three old diesel vans. As has been said on here, I COULD, I really could, use an EV for my short, non load carrying journeys, and it really wouldnt be a problem, as I have space to keep and charge it.
But for me, the bottom line is the cost. Not so much the electricity to charge it, but the outlay to buy the thing in the first place, and for me, that makes it a complete non starter. From that point of view, there is nothing further to discuss or argue about. At the moment, they are very much a rich persons thing.
theres always a difference between fantasy and reality…….In short - the UK isn't ready for the EV revolution, and isn't likely to be anywhere close by 2030.
Run out of juice so need something to do?Just sat in my EV reading this......
It IS a relative thing. But for me it is not even about long term value for money. It is purely because I do not have anything like that sort of money so spend. I would never, ever have a vehicle on any sort of lease, because I do not like debt (and it is debt) and I will not pay any more than £1500 for a vehicle nowadays, especially ones with unproven longevity and used values. Plus of course, the goalposts keep moving.some EVs are cheap in comparison to the ever popular Rangie at 699 a month or Disco for that matter. Rich and poor is a relative thing. I think the point is long term value for money. In reality they are still relatively unproven. Its not uncommon for a van, pick up or normal car to be bimbling along at 15 years old it may have had several owners but the cost per year is far less than something full of expensive tech thats not cost effective to repair at 7 or 8 years old.
And while on the subject of cost effective Ive been invited to test drive an Ineos Grenadier!
Maybe they should cancel HS2 in its entirety, and spend the money on this instead ? Far more use to many more people. You DON'T need to be anywhere 15 minutes faster, and the EV ethos proves this !I watched that Panorama programme.
The presenter was a pretty laid-back guy (& clearly well aware not to rock the boat too hard & deviate from "the direction", plus it's the Beeb)..... but he couldnt hide the frustration of Charging hassles on his journey.
A few low-key but very valid tidbits like we are at no more than 10% of the Charging network (with 7-yrs till no new ICE's), and that many chargers don't work/are expensive to use, and that network power distribution & supply is a serious problem.
A massive infrastructure investment (saving the planet huh) is badly needed, but (surprise!) our Govt isn't doing anything like enough to see that it's addressed.
In short - the UK isn't ready for the EV revolution, and isn't likely to be anywhere close by 2030.
Run out of juice so need something to do?![]()
If your going to cancel hs2 the far better option would be to start reinstating the beeching linesMaybe they should cancel HS2 in its entirety, and spend the money on this instead ? Far more use to many more people. You DON'T need to be anywhere 15 minutes faster, and the EV ethos proves this !
Well, there's hardly any that are going out as outright sales where I work, most are 'virtue signallers' with a PCP or other lease, we do see a lot of BEV company cars, presumably taking advantage of the low company car tax rate.
What does make me chuckle is when they're parking up in the morning, they're usually followed into the carpark by someone in an old diesel-burner hatchback (presumably their second car) then whisked away to do whatever they fill their day with.
Those prices for the conversions are just bonkers...!Without asking for quotes, a quick look indicates fully installed kits for conversion of series or defenders range between 28k and 50+k. The lower end give you a low voltage 7kW charging set up married to existing gearbox and without weatherproofing so wading is restricted and circa 60kWh of battery, The top end gives you high voltage CCS fast charging, bigger battery/motor full weatherproofing and either direct to existing gearbox, or to the transfer box if you want auto.
Here's an interesting site https://www.electrogenic.co.uk/cars
So, I could keep my ranger at end of the lease, sell it and release the equity, its only done 14k in 3 years, and get the agricultural conversion of a defender, I don't need HV fast charging, I only charge at home, I only need 120 mile range. Although I have got used to auto boxes recently, I can do without it, I would need to find a half decent 110 double cab, pref with galv chassis. Or I could go the full monty.