Adventures in an all electric vehicle.

[GRW]

I did this maths 6yrs ago - six years later - nothing viable has come onto the market place to replace a/my Honda C90? (AFS 110 108cc Honda C90)

Simple question?

(no bullying please )

The old C50/70/90 were brilliantly practical, stable & economical machines with solid, simple engineering & basically bulletproof.
Unchanged today they they'd make a superb buy and transport solution. Cheap on resources, cheap to run, durable - brilliant things.
If your 110cc more modern variant is half as good, then that'll still make it about 50x better than so many alternatives.
In terms of bang-for-buck & frugality - it's a tough act to beat.
The only thing they don't have, is any cool cachet for those who value image over, well - value & practicality.

 

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Get your calculator out - bang the - numbers in for lower cost Honda CB125 - this still does not hit the "spot" - for ownership/cost/charging/performance....

 

[m_c]

I did this maths 6yrs ago - six years later - nothing viable has come onto the market place to replace a/my Honda C90? (AFS 110 108cc Honda C90)

Simple question?

(no bullying please )

I'll admit, it's not something I've really thought about before, but I'm surprised that there's not more options for road legal e-bikes/mopeds.
However I suspect the big thing is most motorbike buyers do it for the fun aspect, rather than the practical aspect.

But that doesn't explain the lack of e-mopeds, as I thought those buyers would be buying for more practical reasons?

 

[GRW]

250w for my 100kg full sized fat mechanic frame is nothing mate!

Honestly - you'd be surprised just what 250w can give you.
That power output is equivalent to the sort of continuous output a Tour de France Pro rider can sustain - so the motor & pack gives you in effect the assistance of having a 70kg Pro rider helping you pedal/climb, for a maybe 12-15kg penalty over the weight of a regular bicycle.
Even at 100kg, you'd be amazed how much easier they are to cover ground on. You still get some exercise, but the motor takes the hit for the big efforts like steep hills off your body - so you climb hills without breaking a sweat or blowing out yer arris that would otherwise give you a coronary.

 

[premmington]

The old C50/70/90 were brilliantly practical, stable & economical machines with solid, simple engineering & basically bulletproof.
Unchanged today they they'd make a superb buy and transport solution. Cheap on resources, cheap to run, durable - brilliant things.
If your 110cc more modern variant is half as good, then that'll still make it about 50x better than so many alternatives.
In terms of bang-for-buck & frugality - it's a tough act to beat.
The only thing they don't have, is any cool cachet for those who value image over, well - value & practicality.

Nobody buys a C50/70/90 variant to be cool.... Get real mate....

It is more a statement of practicallity....

 

[GRW]

Gonna "Google this Mr Lyndon Poskett"

Poskett if I recall is a cheerful UK-based antipodean nutter whose done the Dakar as a privateer several times.
Didn't know he'd taken part on an e-motorbike tho (admit I didn't get to follow it the last vouple of years).

 

[m_c]

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As GRW says, the power ratings don't really compare to conventional engines.
The 15.5mph (25kph)/250w limit is from the old pedal assist motorbike days, where the 250w was peak power, so pulling away, you essentially had naff all power.

With electric motors and controllers, they're limiting power, so at standstill, they are putting out a lot of torque, with the torque reducing as speed increases.
The current Bosch e-bike motor puts out 85Nm at stall.

So the above Segway is probably far quicker off the mark than most Cx0's.

 

[Ubique]

... Once the scrotes start using them for crime and hooning about that’ll be it.

You're way behind the curve on that one, same with the scooters.

 

[dobbslc]

It’s probably semantics in the definition that makes them not a moped but I can see some sort of tax, insurance and licensing coming in after a few fatals

Bring it on!
Let's have some kind of license, insurance requirements for these vehicles and cyclists.
I have an E scooter for jumping from van to site in London if I can't get parked close enough.
Yes it's illegal but I do stop at red lights and generally don't ride like a retard looking for somewhere to die.
Half the bikes flying around jumping red lights doing well over 15.5mph and have no way to identify them when they cause an accident!
I'm absolutely amazed that our money grabbing government haven't already got into this in a big way.

 

[GRW]

The current Bosch e-bike motor puts out 85Nm at stall.

There's a newer "smart" (yuk) Bosch e-bike motor than mine, but mine is the Bosch Performance Line CX4 motor (85nm). 625wH battery.
4 increasinglevels of assistance (Eco, Tour, E-Mtb & Turbo). As you'd expect, the lower the setting, the less percentage assistance & the greater the range.
(I've done close to 50km off-road on my e-mtb, where the drag of the surface & off-road tyres and steeper harder climbs ask a lot more than road use will).
Today I did 37km off-road with 1300m of vertical ascension (but didn't have much battery left at all).
On the road with skinny tyres, less weight & a lot less drag & shallower climbs (& the same Bosch package) I'd think 100km is feasible range (or perhaps 50km+ even if caning it pretty hard).

 

[redlig]

That needs applying to bicycles if I’m honest.

However that’s a different thread probably.

E-bikes will be registered before long I have no doubt. Once the scrotes start using them for crime and hooning about that’ll be it.

What do you mean " START" ? They have been at it ever since the E's were available . Another 2 more killed this weekend .

 

[redlig]

How hard would it be to IVA an electric enduro bike?

Mrs79 follows a bloke on instagram called Lyndon Poskett and he’s done the Dakar on one.

That guy is a legend !!

 

[redlig]

The old C50/70/90 were brilliantly practical, stable & economical machines with solid, simple engineering & basically bulletproof.
Unchanged today they they'd make a superb buy and transport solution. Cheap on resources, cheap to run, durable - brilliant things.
If your 110cc more modern variant is half as good, then that'll still make it about 50x better than so many alternatives.
In terms of bang-for-buck & frugality - it's a tough act to beat.
The only thing they don't have, is any cool cachet for those who value image over, well - value & practicality.

AND," you meet the nicest people on a Honda . " ask Twiggy.

 

[addjunkie]

Bring it on!
Let's have some kind of license, insurance requirements for these vehicles and cyclists.
I have an E scooter for jumping from van to site in London if I can't get parked close enough.
Yes it's illegal but I do stop at red lights and generally don't ride like a retard looking for somewhere to die.
Half the bikes flying around jumping red lights doing well over 15.5mph and have no way to identify them when they cause an accident!
I'm absolutely amazed that our money grabbing government haven't already got into this in a big way.

When you see the numbers of scrotes zipping about on real probably stolen motorcycles, I can assure you it would only be honest folk whod license their e bike

 

[James1979]

Problem is they should have done it at the start but then they’re “oppressive” or something. Wouldn’t have pushed the E agenda either if it cost money to get one.

Now there’s too many out there to register them I reckon.

Kinda screwed if they do and screwed if they don’t. Doesn’t matter what anyone says about any government, I don’t think I’d want their job. You don’t seem to please anyone most of the time!

 

[dobbslc]

Not for the last few years anyway

 

[Agrismith]

Problem is they should have done it at the start but then they’re “oppressive” or something. Wouldn’t have pushed the E agenda either if it cost money to get one.

Now there’s too many out there to register them I reckon.

Kinda screwed if they do and screwed if they don’t. Doesn’t matter what anyone says about any government, I don’t think I’d want their job. You don’t seem to please anyone most of the time!

They could start trying!!!!

 

[redlig]

They could start trying!!!!

I hate to say this but they are trying ............very!

 

[Agrismith]

I hate to say this but they are trying ............very!

It's ok labor are on there way, is everyone ready for their free money

 

[not done it yet]

30 KPH. Which is about what a normal, competent (and fit) cyclist can average on a normal road bike for any length of time, so I guess it's from EU regulation and stems from that?

By legal definition a moped cannot exceed 50cc. I have a Powerpak ‘cycle moped’ somewhere in the garage. As early teens we used to ride motorcycles around the fields. One was a Mercury Mercette - with a two speed 4 stroke overhead valve engine. Went like stink compared with some mopeds of the day. Only about 2 1/3-3 HP, I believe.

The powerpak: http://www.icenicam.org.uk/articles9/art0150.php

Mercury Mercette engine pic: https://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/mercury/Mercury-Mercette-06.htm

The Mercette got scrapped over 20 yesrs ago. Wish I had collected it before it was skipped… One would be mega-expensive today