From my own findings the BOC 6013 'everyday' rods, or whatever they are called, are poor. Consistently poor.
A welding supplier rep told me they were made by Nexus, but then everyone in the welding game loves a story on how someone else makes so-and-so companies rods and re-brands them.
Not used them for a couple of years, and they might have changed now, but they ran very badly.
What is the tie in with BOC and Murex?
No tie in any longer.....MUREX is owned by ESAB.........BOC sold it to them donkeys years since
Nexus are Leengate so they are already rebranded........Leengate are now owned by BOC
As I said earlier we (Lincoln) used to make the Everyday and the Nexus (in different plants) but they dumped us for Chinese before I finished and that was 2009/10 so probably 07 or 08.
I think BOC have since introduced another family brand name RYVAL
Incidentally BOC are now owned by LINDE GAS
Ryval is absolute dross, last spot I was at had a ryval tig set. All plasticy and cheap feelingRyval don't inspire much confidence in me, judging by the Acetylene regulator I have. Brand new out of the box, it couldn't hold a steady pressure to save its life.
Its the race to be cheapest. Employ door knockers who know nothing about welding and let them sell on price alone.Ryval don't inspire much confidence in me, judging by the Acetylene regulator I have. Brand new out of the box, it couldn't hold a steady pressure to save its life.
Its the race to be cheapest. Employ door knockers who know nothing about welding and let them sell on price alone.
Accountants and Business Graduates run these firms and they know less than the door knockers but they see the "figures"
Lincoln are advertising for Sales peopleUnfortunately this sums up where we have gone with everything in this country.....Crappy tat that lasts 5 minutes, and/or barely performs as it should.
Ryval is absolute dross, last spot I was at had a ryval tig set. All plasticy and cheap feeling
From my own findings the BOC 6013 'everyday' rods, or whatever they are called, are poor. Consistently poor.
A welding supplier rep told me they were made by Nexus, but then everyone in the welding game loves a story on how someone else makes so-and-so companies rods and re-brands them.
Not used them for a couple of years, and they might have changed now, but they ran very badly.
What is the tie in with BOC and Murex?
As far as I know, Nexus were an SWP type company which could have stuff made with their brand on but never actually made anything. Maybe it was made to their exacting quality requirements...................
NEXUS was (is) a brand name owned by LEENGATE (now BOC) who were trying to promote themselves as VIRTUAL manufacturers
Their rods at least at one time were made in Portugal by Electrotechnica?? There were also rods called Numal which were the same.
It was ELECTRO-ARCO who are owned by Lincoln, they also made AUTAL mig wire (and NEXUS for Leengate, we made NEXUS PLUS in Sheffield)
I thought the Nexus rods weren't great, the 2.5 mm sometimes showed a thing like arc blow, where the arc came out of one side of the rod. The 3.2mm rods were a bit better. I'd think twice about using their MIG wire.
Much of the industry seems to be about rebranding and companies which are part of conglomerates selling on a brand name established years before. e.g. I think there are very few rod mills in Europe and everyone is trying to keep down costs.
Its the race to be cheapest. Employ door knockers who know nothing about welding and let them sell on price alone.
Accountants and Business Graduates run these firms and they know less than the door knockers but they see the "figures"
Well I am both a very successful salesman and sales trainer and a welder fabricator
Can 100 percent tell you to sell you need a salesman and a motivated one at that
Ask me how many installers I have tried to train and how many actually made it.
Best results besides salesmen from other areas and companies was squaddies as they don't assume they already know it all and do exactly what you tell them with no pre judging
That's just how it is a good salesman can and will pick up the phone and ask anything the client wants to know and are quick enough to use it to close the deal
A good sewing machine salesman could be ideal no joke at all
Joe Gerrard ( Guinness book record holder as the world's greatest salesman) sold cars face to face and it's reputed he didn't know we're the dipstick was
Engineers by nature have a negative outlook to gain the best solution if people get what I mean? They look for reasons why something might fail and design solutions around it
Salesmen think positive even when the chips are down after all you can't overcome issues if you don't have the order
I dont agree at all........maybe some items but not welding machines and consumables. You need to able to demonstrate the quality / advantages otherwise all you have is price.