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Thanks for the reply.
My problem with the gear box and shifter is solved easily because I will use renault 4 (GTL) engine. Which has a engine placed in front but turned 180 degrees. Originally that engine was in some king of mini wan that hat engine at back with the rear wheel drive, so the gearbox and the stick were in between seats. they made ranult 4 and just took the whole engine and just slide it to the front of the car.
Here I made a little explanation. There are not so many parts of the engine. few cables and that's it. really simple carburetor engine.
That's the project that I am working on. I was thinking of buying plans for frame but then I decided to make my own to make it unique.
engine has only 35 BHP but i am planing to keep it under 300 kg, so there will be enough power. And it has a great gear ratio so the first and second gear will be more than enough.
This picture is even better, found it on the net. this is a little older model, newer is a little bigger.
My problem with the gear box and shifter is solved easily because I will use renault 4 (GTL) engine. Which has a engine placed in front but turned 180 degrees. Originally that engine was in some king of mini wan that hat engine at back with the rear wheel drive, so the gearbox and the stick were in between seats. they made ranult 4 and just took the whole engine and just slide it to the front of the car.
Here I made a little explanation. There are not so many parts of the engine. few cables and that's it. really simple carburetor engine.
That's the project that I am working on. I was thinking of buying plans for frame but then I decided to make my own to make it unique.
engine has only 35 BHP but i am planing to keep it under 300 kg, so there will be enough power. And it has a great gear ratio so the first and second gear will be more than enough.
This picture is even better, found it on the net. this is a little older model, newer is a little bigger.
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that makes things much easier then, the gear stick will be between the seats ?
do they make a later version of a Renault 4 or other model with the same layout of engine and gear box ?
l think that you may struggle to keep the weight down to your target, one of my pals biult this buggy, everything was kept to a minimum things like the disc brakes were turned down to shed weight, absolutely no excess weight anywhere, even the engine and box were chosen because they were the lightest that he could find, shell is bonded aluminium sheet with no chassis, well not in the conventional sense you might call the roll cage the chassis with the body under slung l suppose, even after going to extremes it still weighted in at a touch over 600kg, good luck
do they make a later version of a Renault 4 or other model with the same layout of engine and gear box ?
l think that you may struggle to keep the weight down to your target, one of my pals biult this buggy, everything was kept to a minimum things like the disc brakes were turned down to shed weight, absolutely no excess weight anywhere, even the engine and box were chosen because they were the lightest that he could find, shell is bonded aluminium sheet with no chassis, well not in the conventional sense you might call the roll cage the chassis with the body under slung l suppose, even after going to extremes it still weighted in at a touch over 600kg, good luck
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Even if I go beyond 300kg it will still be powerfull enough.
They stopped manufacturing R4 in '92 I think so there is no later or stronger engine. I have model from '90. It is 1100ccm with 35 HP. That will be a small buggy but next will be justy and that will be a real thing.
I don't thing there is any other model with the same layout.
I did thing it will end in between seats but after some measuring I found out it wont
But that is not the problem. I will use the same lever that is in use now to shift gears only it will be shorter.
They stopped manufacturing R4 in '92 I think so there is no later or stronger engine. I have model from '90. It is 1100ccm with 35 HP. That will be a small buggy but next will be justy and that will be a real thing.
I don't thing there is any other model with the same layout.
I did thing it will end in between seats but after some measuring I found out it wont
But that is not the problem. I will use the same lever that is in use now to shift gears only it will be shorter.
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Those photos are from my projects covered on www.renault4.co.uk - I thought they looked familiar.
The engine in the photograph is from a Renault5 MK1 Alpine. It is 1389cc and should be good for 93bhp. The Mk1 Renault 5 engine installation was very similar to the Renault 4 but all of the engines were more powerful. The carburettor and inlet manifold from a R5 1108 will give you 10 more bhp.
Post some photos of the build when you start.
Funny how I recognised that as a Renault 4 immediately after some 30 years since my dad owned one of the early ones with only 3 speeds.
And yes, the Renault 5 has also got similar gearbox layout, at least the cheaper ones with the "umbrella" gear shifter - dad had one of those too.
Oh, and good going Baloo - enjoying the thread a lot!
And yes, the Renault 5 has also got similar gearbox layout, at least the cheaper ones with the "umbrella" gear shifter - dad had one of those too.
Oh, and good going Baloo - enjoying the thread a lot!
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that makes things much easier then, the gear stick will be between the seats ?
do they make a later version of a renault 4 or other model with the same layout of engine and gear box ?
l think that you may struggle to keep the weight down to your target, one of my pals biult this buggy, everything was kept to a minimum things like the disc brakes were turned down to shed wieght, absolutly no excess weight anywhere, even the engine and box were chosen because they were the lightest that he could find, shell is bonded aliminium sheet with no chassis, well not in the conventional sense you might call the roll cage the chassis with the body under slung l supose, even after going to extremes it still wieghted in at a touch over 600kg, good luck
What engine is in that? I hope to keep this one at around the 500kg mark using a Suzuki GSXR 1000 or an Aprillia RSV and using light weight hubs and bike calipers.
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h'mm a rorty ?
l bought the plans of rorty also, but l dont think l have the comitment needed to cut all those tubes up and weld them together, might have to buy one done or pay some one to weld the frame up,
some nice bits on your buggy there sam, its very hard to get under 500kg but you might make it with a mc engine and no reverse box,
Marks buggy has a citroen engine, saxo or its predecessor, this was chosen as its the lightest engine and box he could get, well cheaply anyway, its an all alliminium engine and box normally front wheel drive but in this case its beside the driver with the drive shafts feeding the front and rear axle and the gearbox diff welded up
for those that are bored on this wet november night this biuld up thread might pass an hour or so
http://forum.difflock.com/viewtopic.php?t=14499
l bought the plans of rorty also, but l dont think l have the comitment needed to cut all those tubes up and weld them together, might have to buy one done or pay some one to weld the frame up,
some nice bits on your buggy there sam, its very hard to get under 500kg but you might make it with a mc engine and no reverse box,
Marks buggy has a citroen engine, saxo or its predecessor, this was chosen as its the lightest engine and box he could get, well cheaply anyway, its an all alliminium engine and box normally front wheel drive but in this case its beside the driver with the drive shafts feeding the front and rear axle and the gearbox diff welded up
for those that are bored on this wet november night this biuld up thread might pass an hour or so
http://forum.difflock.com/viewtopic.php?t=14499
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ha what a small world it is this days, intresting stuff having the gearbox the wrong end of the engine, looks like you are doing a quality job on the restoration,
that engine and box might be ok in a buggy with the gearstick poking up between the seats and the engine hanging out the back,
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32mm x 2mm wall cds for the main frame, T45 will be used for the trailing arms and front wishbones.
h'mm a rorty ?
l bought the plans of rorty also, but l dont think l have the comitment needed to cut all those tubes up and weld them together, might have to buy one done or pay some one to weld the frame up,
some nice bits on your buggy there sam, its very hard to get under 500kg but you might make it with a mc engine and no reverse box,
Marks buggy has a citroen engine, saxo or its predecessor, this was chosen as its the lightest engine and box he could get, well cheaply anyway, its an all alliminium engine and box normally front wheel drive but in this case its beside the driver with the drive shafts feeding the front and rear axle and the gearbox diff welded up
for those that are bored on this wet november night this biuld up thread might pass an hour or so
http://forum.difflock.com/viewtopic.php?t=14499
Yes a Rorty R82S, wish I had used round for the bottom frame as well it was all tig welded but very time consuming also building an Edge Phirana but that will all be miged up finding time scarce at the moment. That buggy looks great from the opposite side.
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buggys a nice shape sure enough, but its to dam small for me to get in, it was biult around Mark and there is no spare space at all,
l am biulding something simalar but slightly bigger so l can get in it,
heres a couple of vids of it in action
http://www.youtube.com/user/andyhaycock1#p/u/1/J1gAoNhee64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tf1ioLc5fM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioyqzm8B9to
l am biulding something simalar but slightly bigger so l can get in it,
heres a couple of vids of it in action
http://www.youtube.com/user/andyhaycock1#p/u/1/J1gAoNhee64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tf1ioLc5fM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioyqzm8B9to
Hi.
Yes I did took that images from your web page.Hope you don't mind. That was the google result.
I am posting from my mobile so I hope I will succed in posting image. This is the photo of the renault 4 that will be used for making buggy.
You can follow my progress at http://homouniversale.com
But I will open a thread here and on some more forums just to hear your thoughts and advice.
This is the ranger that will be turned to dune buggy.
Yes I did took that images from your web page.Hope you don't mind. That was the google result.
I am posting from my mobile so I hope I will succed in posting image. This is the photo of the renault 4 that will be used for making buggy.
You can follow my progress at http://homouniversale.com
But I will open a thread here and on some more forums just to hear your thoughts and advice.
This is the ranger that will be turned to dune buggy.
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hi oseloth
well l admire your spirit, that looks well past its "sell by date" ( although malcolm might not agree ) look forward to your biuld thread, will you be using the renault suspension or making your own with more axle travel as l think the standard suspension will be the limiting factor in how good your buggy is in the forest, oh and will you be putting the steering wheel on the "right" side in the buggy
Andy
well l admire your spirit, that looks well past its "sell by date" ( although malcolm might not agree ) look forward to your biuld thread, will you be using the renault suspension or making your own with more axle travel as l think the standard suspension will be the limiting factor in how good your buggy is in the forest, oh and will you be putting the steering wheel on the "right" side in the buggy
Andy
"an hour or so"... I wish... several, several hours later...
Thanks for the link, though.
@ballo
The stearing wheel will stay on the left, I am just used to change gears with my right hand. the suspensio. Yes. That's a good question. I thought making front from VW beatle if I can find one. but I am not sure will I be able to change complete wheels. They have to fit the shaft id that is the name of that part. The one going from diferential to wheel. Missing some tehnical vokabular here. If I find somethin longer I will try making my one suspension so I can lift it. If not I will try in any way to lift it as hi as possible. Today I am going to take some more pictures.
The stearing wheel will stay on the left, I am just used to change gears with my right hand. the suspensio. Yes. That's a good question. I thought making front from VW beatle if I can find one. but I am not sure will I be able to change complete wheels. They have to fit the shaft id that is the name of that part. The one going from diferential to wheel. Missing some tehnical vokabular here. If I find somethin longer I will try making my one suspension so I can lift it. If not I will try in any way to lift it as hi as possible. Today I am going to take some more pictures.
hi Adam
the name of the shaft you are talking about is driveshaft if its open and can be see like a vw beetle, if its hidden up the inside of an axle tube then its called a halfshaft for some reason, your english is very good far far better than my croation
l think vw beetle front suspension would be a good choice simple and very strong, you might even be able to use the rear as well ?
Andy
the name of the shaft you are talking about is driveshaft if its open and can be see like a vw beetle, if its hidden up the inside of an axle tube then its called a halfshaft for some reason, your english is very good far far better than my croation
l think vw beetle front suspension would be a good choice simple and very strong, you might even be able to use the rear as well ?
Andy
"an hour or so"... I wish... several, several hours later...
Thanks for the link, though.
hi joker
you need to read quicker or just look at the pics then
was it an intresting read then ?
Very... very.... damnit...
Need,
- more time
- bigger garage
- more tools
- more money
- large field/forrest
... Easy then...
I still think an electric rock crawler would be the dogs... some computer controlling the speed of the wheels with input from steering angle. Could be "total control 4WD"....
