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this is all this standard says about your question
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This is something that has been updated in the new NSSS 7th edition, however I’ve not had a chance to go through it yet as very busy and it’s not mandatory until January. You can get a copy from BCSA though.
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I've got a commentrary on the changes, if i can dig it out i'll post it. From memory there is a new paragraph that has been added about fire protection. Its a bit wishy washy and more or less a nod to Grenfell.
Thanks for your posts all, denlow yours was certainly very helpful, clear and concise. I was never in any doubt that my workshop needed to obtain 1090 quals in order to produce the fabricated steel we do, even if a large portion of it is for the domestic building trade. Paul you cleared up where the onus should fall and i will more than likely draft a document for those clients that can't supply me with the EXC class of the project, that way with a signature to paper i am covering myself from an insurance purpose as well. Is this something that others have done?? I still find it a mammoth task to complete all the relevant documentation especially when the project is small but still falls under 1090...
Looks to me like this is something that just has to be. Has NSSS 7 made any drastic alterations to the 1090 standards??
Looks to me like this is something that just has to be. Has NSSS 7 made any drastic alterations to the 1090 standards??
I thought I'd go one step further with a working example as I'm still trying to find a resolution (with the help of my RWC) for, I'm sure, the plenty of firms like mine...
Got a project starting tomorrow. New garage build on a large residential property. 3 x SHS columns and 2 UC beams sitting on top of the post plates. Structure fixed to the footing. I have a GA drawing from the SE detailing material lengths, specs etc enough for me to fabricate and supply. However his drawings do not indicate an EXC class of the building...
Now this is where i want to clarify... should I...
- be chasing the SE for an EXC for the building to clarify that i can supply under my 1090 quals
- fabricate and supply without an EXC confirmation but still doing my due diligence to complete as if it was a 1090 project. As a result be unable to produce any DOP/ conformity docs should they be requested?
- if none of these are possible then turn the work away... surely not viable for people like me. And one i certainly wouldn't be doing.
I can't imagine that this is the first time businesses like mine have come across this problem in the advent of EN 1090 as I'm sure there are plenty of us that deal with construction companies and local builders as opposed to the big home builders and super structures that I'm sure some of the welders on here are most familiar with. All ears to all discussions and criticisms of my understanding...
Got a project starting tomorrow. New garage build on a large residential property. 3 x SHS columns and 2 UC beams sitting on top of the post plates. Structure fixed to the footing. I have a GA drawing from the SE detailing material lengths, specs etc enough for me to fabricate and supply. However his drawings do not indicate an EXC class of the building...
Now this is where i want to clarify... should I...
- be chasing the SE for an EXC for the building to clarify that i can supply under my 1090 quals
- fabricate and supply without an EXC confirmation but still doing my due diligence to complete as if it was a 1090 project. As a result be unable to produce any DOP/ conformity docs should they be requested?
- if none of these are possible then turn the work away... surely not viable for people like me. And one i certainly wouldn't be doing.
I can't imagine that this is the first time businesses like mine have come across this problem in the advent of EN 1090 as I'm sure there are plenty of us that deal with construction companies and local builders as opposed to the big home builders and super structures that I'm sure some of the welders on here are most familiar with. All ears to all discussions and criticisms of my understanding...
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it’s the designer who is responsible, not necessarily the SE
Don’t supply without knowing the EXC class. The designer states the EXC class, if they don’t know what this is then tell them, but you need to have something in writing, even if it’s just an email.
You can always have a simple contract that you give to clients that states work to be carried out to EXC 2 and then get the designer to sign it and that will be the acceptance of the order.
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A few people have asked about this. Happy reading.
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Hi guys, I appreciate this is an old thread, but is anyone on here involved in getting people set up for UKCA marking? And what the expense of doing so is?
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Hi Dan, yes I can help with this, will PM you.
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I'm leading this through our work atm, 2nd stage audit in March. We used @Mid Wales welder David's CDL group for weld procedures, and using Centre for Assessment as the notified body.
David is a font of info, would highly recommend him
As for CDL Group, they seem decent, and they have an auditor in Kendal which would be handy for you. He's very used to dealing with small family companies too.
Budget £10k for procedures, consultancy and 1st year audits if you don't have an ISO 9001 quality management system already.
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Thanks for the recommendation MatthewI'm leading this through our work atm, 2nd stage audit in March. We used @Mid Wales welder David's CDL group for weld procedures, and using Centre for Assessment as the notified body.
David is a font of info, would highly recommend him
As for CDL Group, they seem decent, and they have an auditor in Kendal which would be handy for you. He's very used to dealing with small family companies too.
Budget £10k for procedures, consultancy and 1st year audits if you don't have an ISO 9001 quality management system already.
Hope you are getting on ok with it all?!CfA are decent for smaller firms for sure, there is also Alcumus, but they are short on auditors at the moment so have been getting long lead times.
Hello,
Sorry about jumping onto an old thread but thought it is easier than starting a new one!
Our weld procedures are around 10yr old and certified for Argon 20% CO2 mix. We are now using AR, 7% CO2, 2.5% O2 mix.
Based on this would we need to requalify our procedures and the welders?
Thanks
Lee
Sorry about jumping onto an old thread but thought it is easier than starting a new one!
Our weld procedures are around 10yr old and certified for Argon 20% CO2 mix. We are now using AR, 7% CO2, 2.5% O2 mix.
Based on this would we need to requalify our procedures and the welders?
Thanks
Lee
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Yes, that's a much lighter gas
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i think its a great move forward . as you say it weeds out the " yes i be welder types " and of course it can give the welders a bit leverage to improve the wages
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But it’s not done anything to stop Joe Bloggs from selling structural steelwork .
They are ten a penny round here, selling staircases, balconies, balustrading , canopies , platforms etc . All stuff that comes under the umbrella. See various companies offering their wares on Facebook too.
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No one to police it.
To be fair half the firms round here with 1090 can't do a decent job so does it really matter.
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Ain’t that the truth. I’m fortunate I work with some quality companies, but yes, having the certs doesn’t tell the whole story
