CE Marking / BS EN 1090

[steve t]

Some shoking farm buildings going up round here.

 

[Mid Wales welder]

No one to police it.

To be fair half the firms round here with 1090 can't do a decent job so does it really matter.

There are now means to report it and if done it will now be dealt with.
It’s self policing for all the bigger firms as they don’t even get a look in on tenders if they haven’t got it now.
For the smaller firms up to now it’s been a case of nothing will happen to them u less something goes wrong. It’s like insurance, don’t need it until you need it.
Although, I had an email a few months ago saying there is a new body being set up (or already set up) to police construction products (all due to Grenfell) of which structural steelwork is a part of, so will see if that makes a difference.
We have seen a lot of the smaller firms going down the 1090 road the last couple of years.

 

[Mid Wales welder]

Hello,

Sorry about jumping onto an old thread but thought it is easier than starting a new one!

Our weld procedures are around 10yr old and certified for Argon 20% CO2 mix. We are now using AR, 7% CO2, 2.5% O2 mix.

Based on this would we need to requalify our procedures and the welders?

Thanks
Lee

It depends what it says in the ‘range of qualification’ on your weld procedure record. I can’t remember when it changed but ISO 15614-1 never used to give a range CO2 content.
What was the reason for switching s?

 

[Brad93]

There are now means to report it and if done it will now be dealt with.
It’s self policing for all the bigger firms as they don’t even get a look in on tenders if they haven’t got it now.
For the smaller firms up to now it’s been a case of nothing will happen to them u less something goes wrong. It’s like insurance, don’t need it until you need it.
Although, I had an email a few months ago saying there is a new body being set up (or already set up) to police construction products (all due to Grenfell) of which structural steelwork is a part of, so will see if that makes a difference.
We have seen a lot of the smaller firms going down the 1090 road the last couple of years.

But who police the work done to the standard. It's a paperwork excercise.

I've put numerous jobs right out onsite all carried out by one local company.

 

[Mid Wales welder]

But who police the work done to the standard. It's a paperwork excercise.

I've put numerous jobs right out onsite all carried out by one local company.

You are right it is mostly a paperwork thing, but the welding coordinator should be overseeing the work and making sure it’s right, just doesn’t work out that way.
It’s the same with NDT though, I’ve been to places and found defects, marked up all the defects for repair but then when I go back expecting to be looking at those repairs the welders say they didn’t have time and it got sent out. What’s the point! There is nothing we can do in that instance either, it’s down to the company to comply.

 

[mgkop]

Can anyone explain what system/ procedural difference there is between execution 2 and 3? we are already accreditted to 2 but are looking at 3 for aluminium.

thanks

 

[Munkul]

Can anyone explain what system/ procedural difference there is between execution 2 and 3? we are already accreditted to 2 but are looking at 3 for aluminium.

thanks

They look more in depth at material and component traceability, was the short answer our auditor gave me.

 

[denlow60]

Can anyone explain what system/ procedural difference there is between execution 2 and 3? we are already accreditted to 2 but are looking at 3 for aluminium.

thanks

you should look at BS EN 1090-3
Table A.3 — Requirements to each execution class

 

[Mid Wales welder]

Can anyone explain what system/ procedural difference there is between execution 2 and 3? we are already accreditted to 2 but are looking at 3 for aluminium.

thanks

Structural aluminium is under EN 1090 part 3, which is different to EXC 3 (although you could do EXC 3 to part 3 obviously).
Part 3 is similar to part 2, just that it’s for aluminium instead of steels.
EXC 3 would be more traceability, more NDT and the RWC has to be able to show they can work at that level.
Either way you would need to amend your FPC and if going for aluminium you would need additional weld procedures and welder qualifications and then a re audit from your assessment body.
PM me if you need any help with any of this, always happy to help.

 

[WKL]

Hi Dan, yes I can help with this, will PM you.

Hello David,

Could you also PM me? I need a help with certificates.
Thanks.
Alex