EV road tax

[CompoSimmonite]

It is no joke that it takes as much energy to make a car as it consumes in energy during it useful life. If batteries cost half the value of a new ev the life expectancy will be 10 to 15 years. My diesel Volvo i expect to last 25 years and when it is beyond economic repair it can be crushed.

If you look on You Tube there are numerous videos about even small amount of damage to the battery can cause the car to be written off as a new battery is almost as much as a brand new car !

 

[Colin Barron]

With a short life and high depreciation it does appear fair that they receive a small road tax benefit. My son has a diesel Volvo V40 D4 1.9litre 192 bhp 2016 which is zero tax rated, ULEZ zero rated euro 6, work that one out.

 

[Kram]

Should double it, to bring it in line with other vehicles, after all, I don't see a difference between any EV and a normal ICE vehicle of similar size.

Its supposed to be a ROAD FUND LICENCE. You are still using the same road and taking up the same space. I can see the logic of a difference between cars and commercials of various types, and electric commercials should be charged the same rate as ICE ones.

OR, how's this for an idea .......... Reduce the rates for ICE vehicles to the same level as EVs ?

Same road and space but ev's are rolling roadblocks, quarter of normal speed and driven a 10th as well because they are too preoccupied on their battery range. The funny thing is they brake and waste energy when its safe to continue moving. In london, being a hesitant EV driver must half or quarter the usable range!

I'd suggest all cars should be taxed the same on the H band, wouldnt bother me as thats what Im paying already.

 

[qwakers]

every time they brake they dump energy back into the batteries.

 

[Kram]

Smooth driving is far more efficient than excessive use of regen stopping and starting.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

The funny thing is they brake and waste energy when its safe to continue moving.

The regen is basically automatic...so when they lift off the gas the car starts stopping on its own. The city efficiency is pretty good...motorways they don't like very much.

The regen goes back into the battery...so in London traffic sitting in traffic for an hour doesn't really reduce the range much.

 

[qwakers]

i wouldnt dispute it, my point was it probably doesnt affect the range anything like as much as you think.

 

[Kram]

Alternators/generators are well under 50% efficiency at getting power back in battery.

Anyway besides the point, they are bloody £@!?@£# irritating as they prevent me driving smoothly.

 

[Colin Barron]

The regen is basically automatic...so when they lift off the gas the car starts stopping on its own. The city efficiency is pretty good...motorways they don't like very much.

The regen goes back into the battery...so in London traffic sitting in traffic for an hour doesn't really reduce the range much.

I asked the DPD driver how many miles per charge with his big van. 110 miles and an hour to charge, my diesel is over 400 miles and 5 mins to refill.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

I asked the DPD driver how many miles per charge with his big van. 110 miles and an hour to charge, my diesel is over 400 miles and 5 mins to refill.

Yea but in London my diesel would have cost me £12.50 a day .

In cities EVs & PHEVs make a lot of sense...if the trip is less than 200 miles I use the EV....if not I use the Petrol car because an hour to charge can turn into 3 hrs if all the chargers are busy!

 

[not done it yet]

I asked the DPD driver how many miles per charge with his big van. 110 miles and an hour to charge, my diesel is over 400 miles and 5 mins to refill.

My car can easily do 250 miles between each charge - but I don’t. A full charge could cost as little as £5.50 and charging can be done at night while I am asleep.

Yes, public chargers might be 80p per kWh, but I rarely need to use them. I could usually look for a cheaper option than that. It can charge 20 to 80 per cent in about 20 minutes but I’ve yet to need to put in more than about 40kWh at a public charger.

 

[GRW]

It is no joke that it takes as much energy to make a car as it consumes in energy during it useful life. If batteries cost half the value of a new ev the life expectancy will be 10 to 15 years. My diesel Volvo i expect to last 25 years and when it is beyond economic repair it can be crushed.

The signs are clear in any case that the days of subsidised EV motoring are limited. The holiday is ending.
EV Road tax (VED, whatever) coming in 2025.
Already new houses have to have separate electricity metering installed for the EV charging - which can only mean one thing (the intention to charge additional rates/tax/duty on electricity being used as vehicle fuel).
Sure as eggs are eggs they'll have the plan to require all homes EV charging to have EV metering - its just a matter of time.
The carrots have been dangled to attract the punter..... now they are tee-ing up the sucker-punch where they grab back all the money & more. It's just a matter of when, not if.

Cynical? Moi? Not really, just a sensible total distrust of the Political Class & the Civil Service & their motivation, based on history & experience.

 

[mechman]

The signs are clear in any case that the days of subsidised EV motoring are limited. The holiday is ending.
EV Road tax (VED, whatever) coming in 2025.
Already new houses have to have separate electricity metering installed for the EV charging - which can only mean one thing (the intention to charge additional rates/tax/duty on electricity being used as vehicle fuel).
Sure as eggs are eggs they'll have the plan to require all homes EV charging to have EV metering - its just a matter of time.
The carrots have been dangled to attract the punter..... now they are tee-ing up the sucker-punch where they grab back all the money & more. It's just a matter of when, not if.

Cynical? Moi? Not really, just a sensible total distrust of the Political Class & the Civil Service & their motivation, based on history & experience.

Remember when we were advised to go diesel ( quite similar).

 

[Colin Barron]

Remember when we were advised to go diesel ( quite similar).

If the filters and good quality oil is changed regularly, a diesel gives ample warning of requiring maintenance before it fails.

 

[not done it yet]

The signs are clear in any case that the days of subsidised EV motoring are limited. The holiday is ending.
EV Road tax (VED, whatever) coming in 2025.
Already new houses have to have separate electricity metering installed for the EV charging - which can only mean one thing (the intention to charge additional rates/tax/duty on electricity being used as vehicle fuel).
Sure as eggs are eggs they'll have the plan to require all homes EV charging to have EV metering - its just a matter of time.
The carrots have been dangled to attract the punter..... now they are tee-ing up the sucker-punch where they grab back all the money & more. It's just a matter of when, not if.

Cynical? Moi? Not really, just a sensible total distrust of the Political Class & the Civil Service & their motivation, based on history & experience.

Granny chargers might make a comeback.

 

[premmington]

The signs are clear in any case that the days of subsidised EV motoring are limited. The holiday is ending.
EV Road tax (VED, whatever) coming in 2025.
Already new houses have to have separate electricity metering installed for the EV charging - which can only mean one thing (the intention to charge additional rates/tax/duty on electricity being used as vehicle fuel).
Sure as eggs are eggs they'll have the plan to require all homes EV charging to have EV metering - its just a matter of time.
The carrots have been dangled to attract the punter..... now they are tee-ing up the sucker-punch where they grab back all the money & more. It's just a matter of when, not if.

Cynical? Moi? Not really, just a sensible total distrust of the Political Class & the Civil Service & their motivation, based on history & experience.

Well the free money is over for VW in Germany from the government - VW profits were down 40% due to this (and high interest rates).

 

[Robotstar5]

<snip> The carrots have been dangled to attract the punter..... now they are tee-ing up the sucker-punch where they grab back all the money & more. It's just a matter of when, not if.

Sounds familiar, like what happened with the push to get diesel cars, once ownership went up the price of diesel went from a cheap, mainly commercial use fuel to been more expensive than petrol.

 

[GRW]

Granny chargers might make a comeback.

Yes - but they'll have anticipated that already.
The drive for smart meters (which will have the ability to monitor & alter tariffs based upon load and load profile, & upon total demand in any given period of time, & to switch tariff rates on-the-fly to meet whatever they impose).... will ensure few if any escape the surveillance net.

Note they've already made the move to outflank any enterprising people switching to Red Diesel & generators to avoid Fuel Duty levels of taxation to charge their EV's (or whatever)... by largely outlawing the availability of RD for anything other than agricultural use (even big commercial rental generating sets [being commercial] are required to run white diesel & pay full Duty).

The only realistic way in future to save money - will be to quite simply use a lot less.
Energy cost (& availability quite likely) is what will control the greater population in future, restricting their travel & mobility & achieving the "15-minute City" thing, providing almost total control & management of populations & their movement.
And all in the name of saving the planet eh!

 

[premmington]

Yes - but they'll have anticipated that already.
The drive for smart meters (which will have the ability to monitor & alter tariffs based upon load and load profile, & upon total demand in any given period of time, & to switch tariff rates on-the-fly to meet whatever they impose).... will ensure few if any escape the surveillance net.

Note they've already made the move to outflank any enterprising people switching to Red Diesel & generators to avoid Fuel Duty levels of taxation to charge their EV's (or whatever)... by largely outlawing the availability of RD for anything other than agricultural use (even big commercial rental generating sets [being commercial] are required to run white diesel & pay full Duty).

The only realistic way in future to save money - will be to quite simply use a lot less.
Energy cost (& availability quite likely) is what will control the greater population in future, restricting their travel & mobility & achieving the "15-minute City" thing, providing almost total control & management of populations & their movement.
And all in the name of saving the planet eh!

Your quote

"The only realistic way in future to save money - will be to quite simply use a lot less."

What a perfect simple solution...

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

"The only realistic way in future to save money - will be to quite simply use a lot less."

What a perfect simple solution...

Yea but once consumption drops they'll simply increase the daily standing charge to compensate I would think.

Only real solution is probably off grid...but then they can simply tax solar panels by the sqm...if historically they can tax windows I'm pretty sure they can justify taxing anything!