fwd to rwd project

[Baloo]

After doing a lot of research in to the IVA test and asking a few questions I was told as a basic rule that if you modify the monocoque then you need an IVA, it is a very grey area though if you take things literally it all depends on how you interpret the manual.
Nice to see something different

lol l need to go to spec savers then, it dosent look grey to me in fact it looks black and white,

"or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an SVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'QNI' prefix registration number will be allocated."

do you think this car has an altered shell ? ask a hundred people if they think one car with another transmission tunnel is unalterd and what do you think the answer will be ? as soon as you cut a body shell you are heading for an iva unless you are carrying out a like for like repair
sounds like wishfull thinking to me

anyway dont let it put you off one little bit leave them checking the position of your lights and the efficency of your demister they probally wont notice your transmission tunel

cool project indeed

Andy

 

[pleej]

like i said its all in hand

pics should start agen, new job and kids at home have made the garage a no go area lol

na ive not been on sxoc

 

[Engineer]

In this case the one thing that needs looking at very carefully would be whether it would be possible to ever get the finished car insured. I guess most insurance company's would be looking at either an SVA or IVA test, or possibly an engineers report before insuring it.

If its just going to be a track day car of some sort this obviously doesnt matter, but seems an awful lot of work to do and then find out it cant be used on the road (if that was intended).

 

[pleej]

i go on the ford forum alot, there are loads of focus fiesta and mk3 escorts with cossy conversions and the amount of work they have to do is realy scary ,the cars are more cossys than the cars they set out with.
i also have a friend who built a awd nissan pulsar engine mini pickup who told me what he did . i do need a engineers report for the insu

 

[Hog-Rider]

Interesting reading as i'm thinking of building a motor cycle trike,I was thinking buying a part finished frame or a reliant 3 wheeler and cutting off the body etc etc,After reading about sva i'm now thinking twice ??

 

[pleej]

There are loads of trikes about and I'm shure there will be forums about them , also there are kits you can buy .

 

[schnappi]

Purely out of interest (I know nothing about custom vehicles or SVA) but why is the SVA such a problem? Isn't it just a case of paying a man a couple of hundred quid to nose around your car and write you out a certificate?

Aren't we used to that with MOT tests and VIC checks etc.?

Ok, I know it's a bit more expensive but presumably it's a good idea to have one done if such extensive modifications have been made. Isn't it good to have someone else check over your work when it's a matter of life or death?

Back on topic, the build looks really interesting! Can't wait to see how this project develops.

 

[stuvy]

if your work is upto a very good standard you wont need to worry about the test.

Im also on the ford forums and all the lads that do it legally have the vehicles inspected, including the engine numbers as so many people forget to change these!

 

[philsmin]

Purely out of interest (I know nothing about custom vehicles or SVA) but why is the SVA such a problem? Isn't it just a case of paying a man a couple of hundred quid to nose around your car and write you out a certificate?

Aren't we used to that with MOT tests and VIC checks etc.?

Ok, I know it's a bit more expensive but presumably it's a good idea to have one done if such extensive modifications have been made. Isn't it good to have someone else check over your work when it's a matter of life or death?

Back on topic, the build looks really interesting! Can't wait to see how this project develops.

The IVA is a much more in depth test than the MOT, there are loads of things that have to be taken in to account, even too sharp a radius on bezel they fit to gauges can make you fail the test!

As for cost when I looked in to it it was around £400 for the test then additional charge for a retest when it fails

I've heard there are plans a foot to make a simpler test (and hopefully less expensive test) for modified production vehicles as the IVA is aimed more at kit cars

 

[slingshot2000]

Purely out of interest (I know nothing about custom vehicles or SVA) but why is the SVA such a problem? Isn't it just a case of paying a man a couple of hundred quid to nose around your car and write you out a certificate?

Aren't we used to that with MOT tests and VIC checks etc.?

l:

SVA has now been replaced by IVA (Individual Vehicle Inspection), which is much stricter and takes about 4 to 5 hours. This is almost the same ruiles that mainstream manufacturers have to adhere to; no shard objects, lights in correct places, no edges, mirrors, pertrusions etc etc etc etc . . . . .
It is not just a case of you paying a man to issue you a certificate. It is a Goverment Employee issuing a certificate that you NEED to be able to register the vehicle for road use. If he is UNHAPPY about the TINY-EST detail, he CAN and WILL refuse to issue a certificate for road use.

 

[schnappi]

I take the point that the IVA is strict and thorough, but if all that is happening to the shell in question is the addition of a transmission tunnel (taken from another car) then I'd have thought that the car will basically be the same as a production car (ie. no extra protrusions, mirrors, lights, etc. all in the same place) and it should breeze the IVA? (Unless they're all government jobsworths who are likely to fail it to keep the cash rolling in with the minimum of effort and to basically discourage anyone from doing anything).

Pity it adds significantly to the project cost but I guess that's the cost of having some fun these days.

 

[pleej]

id like to do away with the green brace can any one see a prob with taking this green cross brace out and just have the bar going to the front slam panel ?

pic is from a s13

so it looks like this we have on hondas called a traction bar

 

[pleej]

somthing like this

i know i know im awsome at paint lol

 

[malcolm]

Don't think I'd go to the radiator panel - not normally a lot of strength or stiffness in them. Would make a lot more sense to add some brackets on the longitudinal chassis members if you want to get rid of the green things. Steering lock is normally something to check, and you'd want to be a bit careful as you loose steering when they fall off.

Personally I'd just paint them a better colour.

 

[pleej]

lol yeah green ant my thing

ok not realy a update but the s13 is gone so i cleaned the garage out that was full of crap from other cars and just a mess ,i got every thing set up to make a start on the eg shell.

THESE 2 WILL BE GLUED TO MY HAND FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEK

THE REASON IM NOT DONE MUCH IS IVE BEEN DOING THIS

AND ALOT OF THIS

 

[stuvy]

you plank lol

If you brace across the chassis where the engine was then run some bar around the front of the engine bay near the lower rad panel you can add some tabs to bolt those lowers on. Have a look on Zcars website as im not giving away all of my tips lol but there are easy ways of doing ths conversion, nuff' said lol

 

[Nomad]

I take the point that the IVA is strict and thorough, but if all that is happening to the shell in question is the addition of a transmission tunnel (taken from another car) then I'd have thought that the car will basically be the same as a production car (ie. no extra protrusions, mirrors, lights, etc. all in the same place) and it should breeze the IVA?

One of the problems is that SVA (and I guess IVA) use the current tests.
This makes it almost impossible to pass with an older modified car (which left the factory with sharp corners on the chrome fins, windows not stamped to show they are shatterpoof, etc).
It's not realistic to expect a car manufactured in 1960's/1970's to pass todays safety tests.

 

[philsmin]

Nice to see you take health and safety seriously, although I think I may have worn some goggles as well as the high vis

 

[octo0072000]

sva

car over ten years old don't need a sva on import sva apply's to
modified cars if it was built in the 60s with fins i will still pass a sva test as a standard car read the link it says modified chassis or frame as you own both cars neither must be cat ad or destruct notices on them you may end up keeping the reg no off the 200sx as you are using all the car minus the shell
this is the grey area read on from the link

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motorin...carrebuildorradicallyalteredvehicle/DG_191068

 

[philsmin]

"Registering a radically altered vehicle"

so you just don't define it as "radically altered"