Land Rover Defender 110 Rebuild

[normspanners]

I'm a bit special

Thats what me Mum used to say about me------ she said YOUR SPECIAL --------thats why I sent you to a 'special school'
HUM!

 

[pedrobedro]

Thats what me Mum used to say about me------ she said YOUR SPECIAL --------thats why I sent you to a 'special school'
HUM!

Mum says I ride the short bus because I'm special is available on a T shirt, I always thought it should be spelt "speshul" in this context.

 

[colnerov]

I went to a good school, it was approved.

 

[KimB]

Yesterday, where to I start lol, it was terrible, I got upset and gave up at 9pm.
I did complete a couple of jobs however.

Started by stripping the hubs

luckily got all the bolts off and saved them all hurray!

Then paint stripping another load of parts, they came out quite nicely.

Removed all the parts from the rack thingy, they look great just need to finish removing the last bushes.

I then painted the axle this is where my day started going wrong... Paint went everywhere and is still on my arms

I then decided to service my car for a long drive today. It was about 8 when I started I first put to much oil in then after sorting that I realised it leaked really badly, turns out the oil seal pinched and snapped wanted to leave at 6am this morning but didn't do that! Anyway left at 1 today not long got back and we have a brand new chassis

I'm pleased but now more stuff to paint lol. Not sure if I should run the surface down on the chassis ?
Also unsure what I should mask up on both the swivel housings and the hubs ? I was thinking about putting the king pins in and painting it with those fitted then mask the rest ?

 

[awemawson]

Wa-Hay ....... A chassis

 

[colnerov]

Hi, try to leave the surface intact that is your protection, the paint will cover any roughness and smooth it out. The only thing that needs dealing with are any drips from when it was pulled out of the tank, they tend to harden into vicious spikes that will rip your arms to pieces, just hit them with a hammer to dull the point.

Colin

 

[pedrobedro]

You're not painting the chassis are you Kim ? That would be sacrilege. You need special paint or something called mordant solution before you prime galvanised steel otherwise the paint will lift in a few months.

 

[awemawson]

I disagree. The galvanising dissolves off over time in acid rain. Galvanised stuff should be painted to stop this happening, however you are correct that careful thought needs to be given to what to use.

 

[colnerov]

Hi, galvanised steel has, depending on environment, a protective life of 25 to 50 years. A good coat of paint will give another 10 years, so why would you not paint?

Colin

 

[KimB]

Mordant solution or t wash, I've got it and yes I'm painting it. I don't want a mis match of colours just black and green keeping it simple.

 

[awemawson]

hehe - she's getting all Girlie and worrying about colours

 

[Rocketman]

Yeah regardless of the protection of galvanising I would still hit it with a coat of epoxy and top coats. Stuff gets damaged and as soon as the protective layer is gone in one area it will spread.

 

[pants007]

Hi! Just started reading this thread and you have done a great job so far! Just going back a little can you tell me where you bought your paint? and what you bought? I looks like good stuff, i've read about jotun before but have never seen it used.

Also there is a very good website www.landroverworkshop.com which I use all the time, if you go to the diagrams section at the top of page it will give you every part on a landrover; then compares prices of all the main sellers in the uk. You can get some massive price differences, and the diagrams are very useful to.

Cheers steve........

 

[Bill Edwards]

I would always suggest that galvanised chassis are best painted.
Not simply for additional corrosion protection, but so that they don't stand out to the scum who walk round who's little brain goes 'ere, that landy got shiny chassis, worth nicking that'.

I understand people use something to prepare the galvanised surface prior to pain, perhaps the Mordant solution Kim mentions.

 

[KimB]

Hi! Just started reading this thread and you have done a great job so far! Just going back a little can you tell me where you bought your paint? and what you bought? I looks like good stuff, i've read about jotun before but have never seen it used.

Also there is a very good website www.landroverworkshop.com which I use all the time, if you go to the diagrams section at the top of page it will give you every part on a landrover; then compares prices of all the main sellers in the uk. You can get some massive price differences, and the diagrams are very useful to.

Cheers steve........

Well thanks
I bought it from trades 4 paint. They're quite helpful but were a couple days late delivering, no complaints otherwise.

I would always suggest that galvanised chassis are best painted.
Not simply for additional corrosion protection, but so that they don't stand out to the scum who walk round who's little brain goes 'ere, that landy got shiny chassis, worth nicking that'.

I understand people use something to prepare the galvanised surface prior to pain, perhaps the Mordant solution Kim mentions.

That was one of the reasons I had for painting it as well as it'll look better black.
And yes mordant solution is needed because from what I understand there is sald or something in the galv which causes the paint to bubble ? someone will correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[Bill Edwards]

I'm not too clear on it myself. I've read plenty of posts on it as I've got a serious mental health issue (I like series landies) but as I've not yet gathered the motivation to start rebuilding mine it hasn't been too important to me so I've not studied it or had much reason to remember.

I think that the galv has to weather a bit or the paint won't get on with it - flake, bubble etc.
I think that treating it with Mordant solution is quicker and possibly better than leaving it out in the weather for a few months to alter.
People clean them, treat them, rub them down and so on to do a good job.

 

[KimB]

Did some more today. Doesn't feel like I got allot done but I painted another load of parts. Just to finish coat them tomorrow! I'm sick of painting now. Can't wait to start rebuilding and not paint anything for a few weeks!
Anyway I think I'll start by showing a masking trick someone explained to me earlier, dead easy but I never thought about it
I've been debating how I should mask the hubs and swivels, hubs because of the end caps, it'll all be clear in the photos.
Started by putting some tape on

Skimmed round the gasket surface with a knife.

Then cut out the centre and using my finger pushed on each of the 5 bolt holes. I lined these up on the end cap

I then cut around the cap and peeled the peices.

Clearly left with a big hole that need masking so again covered the end and carefully followed the previously cut out lines. Took ten mins in total from start to finish.

Then the other side I wasn't sure about. I had trouble getting the disk of because one surface so started by rapping tape around it then where the disk bolts to I ripped off little peices and stuck them around like so..

Trimmed them and covered the end completing the hub.

I won't bore you all with anymore but I used these tactics throughout and it really helped. I traced the king pins as well with the same technique.
Masked them all up and finally after 5h I was done and ready to paint. Didn't want to have to go back and do anything twice so made sure to tape them all properly

Painted it all very generously, just as I was mixing as much paint as I could at any one time I went to put the jug on the floor and dropped it 500ml of primer everywhere! I was not even remotely amused.
After mixing more i painted it all

Tomorrow I'll finish prep the rear axle. Then paint that and finish coat all of the above parts. I'll be taking the weekend of with my bf not seen him for 6weeks and deserve a break I think!
Hope you all benifit from the masking ideas, I really did. P.s sorry if it's boring for some but it's nice if someone is doing the same thing as me to look and have a rough guide
Kim x

 

[KimB]

I'm not too clear on it myself. I've read plenty of posts on it as I've got a serious mental health issue (I like series landies) but as I've not yet gathered the motivation to start rebuilding mine it hasn't been too important to me so I've not studied it or had much reason to remember.

I think that the galv has to weather a bit or the paint won't get on with it - flake, bubble etc.
I think that treating it with Mordant solution is quicker and possibly better than leaving it out in the weather for a few months to alter.
People clean them, treat them, rub them down and so on to do a good job.

Mordant solution is meant to turn it black so I'll show the process when I do it maybe tomorrow.

 

[awemawson]

Kim, you probably know this already, but instead of using a knife to trim that masking tape, you can gently tap it with a hammer along the machined edge and it gets cut very neatly. Those bits where the hammer head won''t reach you use a knife on. Same method for making gaskets.

A small ball pein hammer is best. The ball can be pressed into holes and rotated to make a cut.

 

[KimB]

Kim, you probably know this already, but instead of using a knife to trim that masking tape, you can gently tap it with a hammer along the machined edge and it gets cut very neatly. Those bits where the hammer head won''t reach you use a knife on. Same method for making gaskets.

A small ball pein hammer is best. The ball can be pressed into holes and rotated to make a cut.

I did that as well but preferred the knife most of the time. hammer is equally as good though