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Could be. It looks like the dimes are to large to be tig.just my thoughts thoe.
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You would get larger dimes because it's a corner weld so rather he would of used a larger diameter filler wire, at least a 2.4 maybe even a 3.2 so each dab would spread out to get both edges.
Not withstanding The dime size, the big giveaway is the stop starts on the corners. They have all been melted into one which when you consider is three separate runs meeting (ending or beginning) at one point to merge them all without any visible lumps or bumps from either restarts or crater fills is only possible via Tig. With mig your adding filler wire as soon as you pull the trigger, but with Tig you obviously have the advantage of melting what is already there prior to adding any more.
Who told you it was mig?
Not withstanding The dime size, the big giveaway is the stop starts on the corners. They have all been melted into one which when you consider is three separate runs meeting (ending or beginning) at one point to merge them all without any visible lumps or bumps from either restarts or crater fills is only possible via Tig. With mig your adding filler wire as soon as you pull the trigger, but with Tig you obviously have the advantage of melting what is already there prior to adding any more.
Who told you it was mig?
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Looking at the cleaning on the edge of the welding ,its aluminium, so definitely Tig.
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No body. I thought it was.but after reading comments I see and hear what your saying.
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Wonder if there is any real point in Mig like Tig? Op isnt interested as its not something which can be mastered in 5 minutes, without using any gas or wire for practice, and as it produces weak joints, no practical use for anything other than decoration.
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I understand what you mean.for me it's what technique is used as it's done as a continuous weld.and if I can master it out of the principal.
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I guess its feasible if you want to practice a fair amount, but seems a waste of time to me as other than decorative work, it seems to have no real purpose?
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Money talks at the end of the day. Despite it being an inferior type of joint there are applications where appearance over rules. I'm not saying it's to my taste but there are people that like it and will pay through the nose to have it. It's down to you as the welder to decide on a couple of things.
1) is it suitable for what it needs to do.
2) can you do it to a standard people will pay for.
If you can answer yes to both those questions then it's another string to the bow.
I can't do it good enough so I don't worry about it but there is no harm in having these little arrows to pull out when needed. Like I say money talks.
1) is it suitable for what it needs to do.
2) can you do it to a standard people will pay for.
If you can answer yes to both those questions then it's another string to the bow.
I can't do it good enough so I don't worry about it but there is no harm in having these little arrows to pull out when needed. Like I say money talks.
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If you want to do Mig like Tig for any reason, then a Mig with wire feed pulse and a steady hand should mean its as easy as any other Mig welding as soon as set up is right.
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I do something similar (but not as neat) in appearance to MLT when I have a slight gap, or my set up is a tad too hot for the material as often happens on site.
I just stop n start on the trigger and quickly light up again- try to find one later -but its not as neat as what is being talked about.
You watch the penetration as you weld, if we could judge it by looking at the finished bead, we would not need ultra sound and X rays would we.
Aparrently, the bloke that does it, welds chassis for sandrail buggies, so in theory, the pen and soundness of the welds is proved if its true.
So, I propose you guys reproduce the welds with a MIG of your choice, then belt em. cut and etch em, and post your efforts with pictures.
One day some blokes on here say appearance = a good weld, few posts later appearance counts for nowt.
I just stop n start on the trigger and quickly light up again- try to find one later -but its not as neat as what is being talked about.
You watch the penetration as you weld, if we could judge it by looking at the finished bead, we would not need ultra sound and X rays would we.
Aparrently, the bloke that does it, welds chassis for sandrail buggies, so in theory, the pen and soundness of the welds is proved if its true.
So, I propose you guys reproduce the welds with a MIG of your choice, then belt em. cut and etch em, and post your efforts with pictures.
One day some blokes on here say appearance = a good weld, few posts later appearance counts for nowt.
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Aherm, still no photographs BB?
In fact, where have you gone?.....
In fact, where have you gone?.....
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I do something similar (but not as neat) in appearance to MLT when I have a slight gap, or my set up is a tad too hot for the material as often happens on site.
I just stop n start on the trigger and quickly light up again- try to find one later -but its not as neat as what is being talked about.
You watch the penetration as you weld, if we could judge it by looking at the finished bead, we would not need ultra sound and X rays would we.
Aparrently, the bloke that does it, welds chassis for sandrail buggies, so in theory, the pen and soundness of the welds is proved if its true.
So, I propose you guys reproduce the welds with a MIG of your choice, then belt em. cut and etch em, and post your efforts with pictures.
One day some blokes on here say appearance = a good weld, few posts later appearance counts for nowt.
Appearance counts for little in a Mig weld, and in almost all cases a pretty looking Mig weld wont be as strong as a run laid in nice and hot, which doesnt look anywhere near as nice.
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Aherm, still no photographs BB?
In fact, where have you gone?.....
Maybe fixing a knackered old Ford Focus? Guess a lot better than fixing an even worse Megane though..................lol
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What does that mean?
a run laid in nice and hot with what process?, how do you know the MLT welds pictured were not run in hot with MIG but just paused instead of a straight run,??.
Guess the only way is for somebody to chop one of his welds and see?.
Or you could knock a couple out and cut them for us, but we don't know what kit he uses, ie machine/gas/ wire/material -I'm not clued up enough on all that.
But, off on a tangent, I do recall a guitar bloke double stringing a six string on two strings, and blokes knocking themselves out for a while trying to get his sound until they sussed it.
I also remember a bloke casting a long way with a fly fishing set up. I spent a week with him and found he was using a No 5 line on a No 7 rated rod-not summat you would think of unless you thought out of the box, so I dunno. What I mean is, from what I recall, the bloke has given some pointers to Jody etc but not the full monty.
TBH, are we that bothered about it, is finding out going to further our skill set as this is mainly a diy/hobby welder forum?
It would probably need you, Richard, Paul, Jim Davey and Hotrodder to mess about for a weekend together with different kit and gas to see how its done, and then what?
We probably just find out that the kit we have in our sheds might not do it
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I think it would be relatively easy to get a Tig type look with Mig that had wire feed pulse, but am certain the weld wouldnt be as strong as running a bead without pulse, or indeed any other way of getting MLT look. In common with all welding processes Mig is all about heat, and the MLT look is achieved either by interrupting the heat input (wire feed pulse), or manipulating torch to get the same effect. Interruption of the heat input, can cause all sorts of problems, not least of which is reduced weld strength.
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Gmaw is a different animal when appearance is concerned. It's great at telling lies. Many a lovely looking mag run has been put down and many suffer with fusion issues. GTAW and MMA are much more truth telling processes. More often than not if it looks good there is a sporting chance you've put in a sound weld.
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I know what your trying to say Chris but your terminology is all over the place.
Your not interrupting heat input by pulsing your reducing it.
And lower heat input doesn't reduce a welds strength it actually increases it.
A lot of machines have double pulses on current. It's a widely used feature and produces very sound welds when set up properly.
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If thats the case then seems to me that MLT appearance and a strong weld are easily achievable on a Mig set with pulse feature? Maybe thats something I should try as MLT is certainly a good selling point.
