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again lads thanks, runnach i kept this thread open in the hope of making it as informative as i could on pipe, im afraid im not familiar with stt, could you explain? f/j
again lads thanks, runnach i kept this thread open in the hope of making it as informative as i could on pipe, im afraid im not familiar with stt, could you explain? f/j
Hi F/J and happy to new year to you sir!
Surface Tension Transfer (STT) another welding method/process for welding pipe, used for various industries, extensively used for welding subsea pipe lines, various spool bases use STT. I've had a go and, have to say it's pretty amazing to use!
For an explanation have a look at this mate > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBrvqHIX4s
Cheers............
, having seen their welding plant earlier in this post. Why would they, when they already have the master!!! Give me experience like that any day over modern technology. Class post F/JExperience is still required to master and appreciate STT new technology. My original post was about "having an opportunity". Always good for tradesmen to keep abreast of new technology, theory and practical, if possible.
Cheers...........
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seems like a lot of technology to go wrong, think the tradional way wud be best imho 
seems like a lot of technology to go wrong, think the tradional way wud be best imho
Same was said about Inverters, Synergics ect. Tigs with pulse, synergics with pulse and double pulse I would think work using same/similar technology as STT plant?
Traditional machines go wrong too, traditional way also takes longer, rather have my head outside the bucket more than in.........
Cheers........
Hi Runnach, I agree with you to a point, I bought a synergic mig last year although I only tend to use it on alloy. Iam sure the STT technology is amazing but its also going to be very pricey, which is OK for corporations but not so great for small one man shows. It will also reduce chargeable time on a job which is good for the customer not the welder. Also the more processeses that are available like this detract from apprentice's skill level with say stick. Its like todays kids and computers, they cant add 6 + 6 - 2 in their heads
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well who need a calculator, most of them will use there phones. oh wait i do alot as well. but then i did do a-level maths that means im alowed too
but all things aside, i was shown how to do subarc wile i was going my pipe apprenticship and i thourght how do people muck this up, and they do.
but if you want to play with new processes, what about friction stir welding. a monkey can do that
I hear you Lincoln, and points taken. However, I don't agree that this process will detract from apps skill level. Fundamentally what type of work/skill area an apprentice works in is obviously down to type of work employer does. I've worked with cracking MMA welders, all they did when apps was use MMA, comes to TIG, they were pants, not all just some. Same applies to STT, this process should not be looked at as being inferior, it is another arm of the welding world.
There are welders around the world at various spoolbases earning up to and over GBP £30 per hour using STT process. Good coin for an inferior process!
I don't want folks to view our debate as a distraction from F/J's original idea for starting this thread, to show members quality welds using MMA and TIG. STT is basically a more intelligent MIG machine, worth trying out if possible?
Finally, recently there was a USA member asking about STT, he had other reasons from welding pipe to look into STT with a possible machine purchase.
Hi Runnach, I was'nt saying it was an inferior process, I would love to try it! I would see it as a more specialised production pipe process. I had a look on the lincoln site there just now, plenty info ,but no price. regarding the apprentice issue, more and more workshops are favouring mig, for obvious reasons, and i feel this is to the detriment of stick welding. it becomes obvious when the welder has to leave the workshop and carry out work on a hillside in the ******* of nowhere.
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But I think that the point is, the welders who are time served can weld well using any process or machine. If they are welding pipes to any sort of standard then it wouldnt matter what process they were asked to use, as they should be able to weld with whatever is put infront of them within reason.............however, new technology has helped in many ways, firstly it enables a factory owner get increased quality from a lower skill base, but probably more importantly it offers higher productivity and quality caperbilities to a welder who already knows what he is doing and is well skilled.
A F1 car is by far faster than anything on the road, but it doesnt mean that an unskilled driver could drive round a track in it faster than a highly skilled driver in a normal car.........................ok, so the annalogy is a bit random, but I hope that you see the point I was trying to make.
As with most things in life, Welding machines are getting smarter, faster, smaller etc etc and its not going to stop, so what is the point of colleges and training centres not atleast dedicating some of the learning time to new processes. Because like it or not, its going to be that type of machine they will be using further down on in there career.
For example, I think there would be more merit with the colleges spending more time teaching pupils how to use/set up/get best out of a Synergic mig than to spend many teaching hours on how to gas braze.
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runnach, i knew what you meant and thanks, great stuff, very well put matt, lincoln glad your home safe, 3rs again thanks ill maybe give that a go. is that what you are at at the minute, explain away threads open. f/j
great stuff, very well put matt, lincoln glad your home safe, 3rs again thanks ill maybe give that a go. is that what you are at at the minute, explain away threads open. f/j 