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I think that lower one/GA is definitely a Parky, it has that weird little sticky out casting nubbin thing on the side of the tail, that seems to be on them all.
the problem you have now created is i have a lot of new name vices to acquire ahhh
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And to Stevie.
I think you're right and the marking now makes (partial) sense - it's a capital G and then a symbol a bit like A, I think G was occasionally used by Parky for the Handy series (like F and J for Perfect and Samsonia).
So --two more Parkys I didn't think I had.
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@doubleboost Seen that when it was first listed , I'm waiting for the price to come down ...........
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Hi all,
hi David,
The story of @ranger08 David's nifty little parallel vice to clamp begins with Gustav Adolf Boley (*1835, +1891), whereby it is irrelevant whether it is an original or a replica .... and what in this story may be called an original at all with justification remains to be seen ...
Gustav does a watchmaker apprenticeship in Stuttgart, goes to Ulm, later to Switzerland to St.Gallen and Zurich, finally to
La Chaux-de-fonds - THE watch capital par excellence, where he takes over a company for watchmaking accessories.
After a few years, he returns home, founds a company, first produces pocket watches, begins to sell tools for watchmakers and realizes that mechanical engineering is not yet developed enough to produce tools and machines according to his quality requirements - at that time, all this still came exclusively from French-speaking Switzerland.
He then took care of it ... and very successfully!
When he died in 1891, his widow successfully continued the flourishing business before finally in 1904 taking on her eldest son and a particularly capable employee as partners. His name: Josef Leinen.
Not long afterwards, Leinen founded his own company and took some of his developments and probably also patents with him, initially apparently on good terms with his previous partners and bosses.
I have gathered all this from various sources, the following section is heavily taken from Tony's fantastic site lathes.co.uk.
Among his own developments, which Josef Leinen successfully built and marketed, were in particular his parallel vises, which in all their properties outshone what had been available up to that time.
One day, to his horror and immeasurable disappointment, he discovered that the G. Boley company, to which he had been so loyally attached for so long, was also building and selling his development under their own name.
It is not exactly handed down what was done or omitted in the following settlement attempts, if there were any at all, but it is known that he looked for, found and persuaded an impoverished widow to act as a partner in his company, Boley was her name and he changed the name of his company to Boley & Leinen!
The man was obviously pretty ****** off ...
So there are very similar vises of the name Leinen, of the name Boley and those that look exactly the same but have no name - it gets quite confusing after a while of dealing with the subject ....
.... and to make the confusion complete, there is still today a company Gebrüder Boley (like Boley brothers) in the same area, completely independent of the whole previous story, which exclusively supplies companies with tools, equipment and machines for watch and jewellery making and repair - with whom I am also a customer - and they still supply, among other things, vises of the Leinen brand.
I focused exclusively on the small ones with the button anvil.
These seem to have existed as A, B and C, with jaw dimensions of 50, 60 and 80mm, often referred to as a watchmaker's vice.
The features that apply more to Boleys and suspected Boleys are the groove in the jaw mount, the sloping shirt in the back and a rather improvised or missing name mark.
The small vices of Leinen often have marks at the end of the jaws, the jaws sometimes (little used? factry option?) form a small roof together instead of a surface, the groove is missing, the name is very succinctly placed in its own field, virtually framed by columns, often the model is mentioned, sometimes the jaw width in mm.
The specimen of Leinen are - across all sizes - currently much more common to get second-hand in our country, Boleys are offered much less and somewhat more expensive.
David's specimen seen in the first and the last partial picture now bears characteristics of both companies and again also differs.
It should be quite old, but whether we can let him have the 1882, I don't know - I found this mark on the meatball here on a Leinen:
And here is my Leinen C80, which I had sent to me exclusively for research purposes:
First, of course, the nasty chipboard had to be thrown in the bin,
then I had to deal with the disgusting yellowish stuff that had run down the back of the poor thing.
The yellow stuff came off quite well, the whole vice lost quite a bit of weight during the initial cleaning and got it back again, because it didn't work at all with such a hexagon head screw instead of an anvil.
This one got a little bigger than the original, I wanted it to be inviting to use.
Then I might have discovered a piece of the original paintwork and a casting mark that I wasn't able to decipher.
Let's see what else can be found out....
Carsten
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hi David,
The story of @ranger08 David's nifty little parallel vice to clamp begins with Gustav Adolf Boley (*1835, +1891), whereby it is irrelevant whether it is an original or a replica .... and what in this story may be called an original at all with justification remains to be seen ...
Gustav does a watchmaker apprenticeship in Stuttgart, goes to Ulm, later to Switzerland to St.Gallen and Zurich, finally to
La Chaux-de-fonds - THE watch capital par excellence, where he takes over a company for watchmaking accessories.
After a few years, he returns home, founds a company, first produces pocket watches, begins to sell tools for watchmakers and realizes that mechanical engineering is not yet developed enough to produce tools and machines according to his quality requirements - at that time, all this still came exclusively from French-speaking Switzerland.
He then took care of it ... and very successfully!
When he died in 1891, his widow successfully continued the flourishing business before finally in 1904 taking on her eldest son and a particularly capable employee as partners. His name: Josef Leinen.
Not long afterwards, Leinen founded his own company and took some of his developments and probably also patents with him, initially apparently on good terms with his previous partners and bosses.
I have gathered all this from various sources, the following section is heavily taken from Tony's fantastic site lathes.co.uk.
Among his own developments, which Josef Leinen successfully built and marketed, were in particular his parallel vises, which in all their properties outshone what had been available up to that time.
One day, to his horror and immeasurable disappointment, he discovered that the G. Boley company, to which he had been so loyally attached for so long, was also building and selling his development under their own name.
It is not exactly handed down what was done or omitted in the following settlement attempts, if there were any at all, but it is known that he looked for, found and persuaded an impoverished widow to act as a partner in his company, Boley was her name and he changed the name of his company to Boley & Leinen!
The man was obviously pretty ****** off ...
So there are very similar vises of the name Leinen, of the name Boley and those that look exactly the same but have no name - it gets quite confusing after a while of dealing with the subject ....
.... and to make the confusion complete, there is still today a company Gebrüder Boley (like Boley brothers) in the same area, completely independent of the whole previous story, which exclusively supplies companies with tools, equipment and machines for watch and jewellery making and repair - with whom I am also a customer - and they still supply, among other things, vises of the Leinen brand.
I focused exclusively on the small ones with the button anvil.
These seem to have existed as A, B and C, with jaw dimensions of 50, 60 and 80mm, often referred to as a watchmaker's vice.
The features that apply more to Boleys and suspected Boleys are the groove in the jaw mount, the sloping shirt in the back and a rather improvised or missing name mark.
The small vices of Leinen often have marks at the end of the jaws, the jaws sometimes (little used? factry option?) form a small roof together instead of a surface, the groove is missing, the name is very succinctly placed in its own field, virtually framed by columns, often the model is mentioned, sometimes the jaw width in mm.
The specimen of Leinen are - across all sizes - currently much more common to get second-hand in our country, Boleys are offered much less and somewhat more expensive.
David's specimen seen in the first and the last partial picture now bears characteristics of both companies and again also differs.
It should be quite old, but whether we can let him have the 1882, I don't know - I found this mark on the meatball here on a Leinen:
And here is my Leinen C80, which I had sent to me exclusively for research purposes:
First, of course, the nasty chipboard had to be thrown in the bin,
then I had to deal with the disgusting yellowish stuff that had run down the back of the poor thing.
The yellow stuff came off quite well, the whole vice lost quite a bit of weight during the initial cleaning and got it back again, because it didn't work at all with such a hexagon head screw instead of an anvil.
This one got a little bigger than the original, I wanted it to be inviting to use.
Then I might have discovered a piece of the original paintwork and a casting mark that I wasn't able to decipher.
Let's see what else can be found out....
Carsten
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I hope to assemble my Record 112P vice over the next few days. What grease or oil would you recommend on different parts.
This is going to be a working vice rather than a preservation for the future!
I have various oil and grease available. CV, lithium, copper, white, etc - plus engine oil, diff oil, gear oil, ATF etc
I was just going to put lithium on it, but as I am reading this thread I thought I would ask the experts.
Thanks for your help.
Mick
This is going to be a working vice rather than a preservation for the future!
I have various oil and grease available. CV, lithium, copper, white, etc - plus engine oil, diff oil, gear oil, ATF etc
I was just going to put lithium on it, but as I am reading this thread I thought I would ask the experts.
Thanks for your help.
Mick
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Just an sae20 or 30 light oil no grease unless you wish to wear out the nut prematurely, if so then add grease
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and then there are the Chinese copies ...... usually light blue paint, and some with 'Mount Tai' trademark --- those available today are total scheise aber some of the older examples are well made --- trouble is they sold mostly with a swivel base, which could be useful and swivels smoothly but the swivel clamp is hopeless.Hi all,
hi David,
The story of @ranger08 David's nifty little parallel vice to clamp begins with Gustav Adolf Boley (*1835, +1891), whereby it is irrelevant whether it is an original or a replica .... and what in this story may be called an original at all with justification remains to be seen ...
View attachment 336492
Gustav does a watchmaker apprenticeship in Stuttgart, goes to Ulm, later to Switzerland to St.Gallen and Zurich, finally to
La Chaux-de-fonds - THE watch capital par excellence, where he takes over a company for watchmaking accessories.
After a few years, he returns home, founds a company, first produces pocket watches, begins to sell tools for watchmakers and realizes that mechanical engineering is not yet developed enough to produce tools and machines according to his quality requirements - at that time, all this still came exclusively from French-speaking Switzerland.
He then took care of it ... and very successfully!
When he died in 1891, his widow successfully continued the flourishing business before finally in 1904 taking on her eldest son and a particularly capable employee as partners. His name: Josef Leinen.
Not long afterwards, Leinen founded his own company and took some of his developments and probably also patents with him, initially apparently on good terms with his previous partners and bosses.
I have gathered all this from various sources, the following section is heavily taken from Tony's fantastic site lathes.co.uk.
Among his own developments, which Josef Leinen successfully built and marketed, were in particular his parallel vises, which in all their properties outshone what had been available up to that time.
One day, to his horror and immeasurable disappointment, he discovered that the G. Boley company, to which he had been so loyally attached for so long, was also building and selling his development under their own name.
It is not exactly handed down what was done or omitted in the following settlement attempts, if there were any at all, but it is known that he looked for, found and persuaded an impoverished widow to act as a partner in his company, Boley was her name and he changed the name of his company to Boley & Leinen!
The man was obviously pretty ****** off ...
So there are very similar vises of the name Leinen, of the name Boley and those that look exactly the same but have no name - it gets quite confusing after a while of dealing with the subject ....
.... and to make the confusion complete, there is still today a company Gebrüder Boley (like Boley brothers) in the same area, completely independent of the whole previous story, which exclusively supplies companies with tools, equipment and machines for watch and jewellery making and repair - with whom I am also a customer - and they still supply, among other things, vises of the Leinen brand.
I focused exclusively on the small ones with the button anvil.
These seem to have existed as A, B and C, with jaw dimensions of 50, 60 and 80mm, often referred to as a watchmaker's vice.
The features that apply more to Boleys and suspected Boleys are the groove in the jaw mount, the sloping shirt in the back and a rather improvised or missing name mark.
View attachment 336497
The small vices of Leinen often have marks at the end of the jaws, the jaws sometimes (little used? factry option?) form a small roof together instead of a surface, the groove is missing, the name is very succinctly placed in its own field, virtually framed by columns, often the model is mentioned, sometimes the jaw width in mm.
The specimen of Leinen are - across all sizes - currently much more common to get second-hand in our country, Boleys are offered much less and somewhat more expensive.
View attachment 336500
David's specimen seen in the first and the last partial picture now bears characteristics of both companies and again also differs.
It should be quite old, but whether we can let him have the 1882, I don't know - I found this mark on the meatball here on a Leinen:
View attachment 336501
And here is my Leinen C80, which I had sent to me exclusively for research purposes:
View attachment 336506
View attachment 336507
First, of course, the nasty chipboard had to be thrown in the bin,
then I had to deal with the disgusting yellowish stuff that had run down the back of the poor thing.
View attachment 336508
The yellow stuff came off quite well, the whole vice lost quite a bit of weight during the initial cleaning and got it back again, because it didn't work at all with such a hexagon head screw instead of an anvil.
This one got a little bigger than the original, I wanted it to be inviting to use.
View attachment 336511
Then I might have discovered a piece of the original paintwork and a casting mark that I wasn't able to decipher.
View attachment 336513
Let's see what else can be found out....
Carsten
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That's a diversion -- thanks for the fascinating story, Carsten - intrigue in the world of vice.
........ Now if you could do the same for the very inventive Bradford region in the 1850s-90s - much bigger stuff - cast iron benches, cramps and vices, with Parkinson finally carrying all before them. More mystery and intrigue in the world of vices. Who were all the characters, often living just a few miles apart??
So mine could be a boley copy of a Leinen? I hope I think?, or were there other companies ripping them both offHi all,
hi David,
The story of @ranger08 David's nifty little parallel vice to clamp begins with Gustav Adolf Boley (*1835, +1891), whereby it is irrelevant whether it is an original or a replica .... and what in this story may be called an original at all with justification remains to be seen ...
View attachment 336492
Gustav does a watchmaker apprenticeship in Stuttgart, goes to Ulm, later to Switzerland to St.Gallen and Zurich, finally to
La Chaux-de-fonds - THE watch capital par excellence, where he takes over a company for watchmaking accessories.
After a few years, he returns home, founds a company, first produces pocket watches, begins to sell tools for watchmakers and realizes that mechanical engineering is not yet developed enough to produce tools and machines according to his quality requirements - at that time, all this still came exclusively from French-speaking Switzerland.
He then took care of it ... and very successfully!
When he died in 1891, his widow successfully continued the flourishing business before finally in 1904 taking on her eldest son and a particularly capable employee as partners. His name: Josef Leinen.
Not long afterwards, Leinen founded his own company and took some of his developments and probably also patents with him, initially apparently on good terms with his previous partners and bosses.
I have gathered all this from various sources, the following section is heavily taken from Tony's fantastic site lathes.co.uk.
Among his own developments, which Josef Leinen successfully built and marketed, were in particular his parallel vises, which in all their properties outshone what had been available up to that time.
One day, to his horror and immeasurable disappointment, he discovered that the G. Boley company, to which he had been so loyally attached for so long, was also building and selling his development under their own name.
It is not exactly handed down what was done or omitted in the following settlement attempts, if there were any at all, but it is known that he looked for, found and persuaded an impoverished widow to act as a partner in his company, Boley was her name and he changed the name of his company to Boley & Leinen!
The man was obviously pretty ****** off ...
So there are very similar vises of the name Leinen, of the name Boley and those that look exactly the same but have no name - it gets quite confusing after a while of dealing with the subject ....
.... and to make the confusion complete, there is still today a company Gebrüder Boley (like Boley brothers) in the same area, completely independent of the whole previous story, which exclusively supplies companies with tools, equipment and machines for watch and jewellery making and repair - with whom I am also a customer - and they still supply, among other things, vises of the Leinen brand.
I focused exclusively on the small ones with the button anvil.
These seem to have existed as A, B and C, with jaw dimensions of 50, 60 and 80mm, often referred to as a watchmaker's vice.
The features that apply more to Boleys and suspected Boleys are the groove in the jaw mount, the sloping shirt in the back and a rather improvised or missing name mark.
View attachment 336497
The small vices of Leinen often have marks at the end of the jaws, the jaws sometimes (little used? factry option?) form a small roof together instead of a surface, the groove is missing, the name is very succinctly placed in its own field, virtually framed by columns, often the model is mentioned, sometimes the jaw width in mm.
The specimen of Leinen are - across all sizes - currently much more common to get second-hand in our country, Boleys are offered much less and somewhat more expensive.
View attachment 336500
David's specimen seen in the first and the last partial picture now bears characteristics of both companies and again also differs.
It should be quite old, but whether we can let him have the 1882, I don't know - I found this mark on the meatball here on a Leinen:
View attachment 336501
And here is my Leinen C80, which I had sent to me exclusively for research purposes:
View attachment 336506
View attachment 336507
First, of course, the nasty chipboard had to be thrown in the bin,
then I had to deal with the disgusting yellowish stuff that had run down the back of the poor thing.
View attachment 336508
The yellow stuff came off quite well, the whole vice lost quite a bit of weight during the initial cleaning and got it back again, because it didn't work at all with such a hexagon head screw instead of an anvil.
This one got a little bigger than the original, I wanted it to be inviting to use.
View attachment 336511
Then I might have discovered a piece of the original paintwork and a casting mark that I wasn't able to decipher.
View attachment 336513
Let's see what else can be found out....
Carsten
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gee thanks for all this insight into your country’s past. Fascinates me and why I love researching the past, unfortunately the language barrier makes it hard to internet search in English
so would I be correct in saying that unnamed vices would be earlier than the named ones?
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That's your job Danny, but thank you for trusting me with this
Could be ...
What we have not yet considered in this context is that everywhere and at all times objects were made according to the customer's wishes, with the option for the customer to put his name on them instead of the manufacturer.
The most expensive variant would certainly be to change the mould so that the name of the client is also cast. It should be somewhat cheaper to omit the manufacturer and simply leave a free inscription field. The customer can leave it as it is or customise it by engraving or screen printing or whatever.
I think it's safe to say that you have a very old one.
It has some of the features that make a vise more expensive to make and if you also find good workmanship, good materials and tight tolerances, then the chances are that your vise was made with great care a long time ago in the area around Esslingen am Neckar in Swabia ...
Have a nice day all
Carsten
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Many thanks Dieselman, I was considering using CV grease so I am glad I asked. I presume this is on screw, sliding surfaces, etc.
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In what way will it wear the nut? It shouldn't be collecting swarf on a vice, like it would on many other things.
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I use slide- and way or hydraulic- oil ISO68 ... Not good?
No grease of course.
Carsten
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I'm not with the anti-social media, nor even on your island, but I'd buy that thing in a heartbeat for the price.
Really nice looking and again the button anvil.
Carsten
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