Postage will kill you Dieselman 63, I can pick up
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Dieselman 63
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good answers from wabbit (?aardvark and diesel), but that's a difficult question - they're usually priced high (eg £150+) on thebay UK but I think often unsold.
they were first marketed as the parallel version of the ubiquitous leg vice, best part of 200 years ago (?)
some are marked Peter Wright but many are not but still get called the same - there were certainly other makers of very similar wrought iron vices - eg Allday and Onions not far from PW in the midlands and here in Sheffield (see my post on p341) the patented Albert Tools (Easterbrook and Allcard) wrought iron vice was almost identical (may be the original if patented by them?)
in the early 20th cent, as tougher vices which I'm sure they are, they were priced considerably higher than the equivalent cast iron Parky or Woden etc types.
there are also some interesting 'hybrid' types (including by PW) which look similarish and have some cast iron, some wrought and the steel nut, screw and jaws as all do. These too usually have no name and are often called 'Peter Wright' by sellers or owners.
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Is there a reason for the unusual position g of the vice?
so it dosen't stick out too far
. has it's pro's and cons. if you have an arm in or something it'll sit on table. pushing bushes/bearings in. cons are working down over flat lining the side of the bench. it comes out like a foot so i can chock the backside up.
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As long as it works for you, that's what matters.so it dosen't stick out too far
cons are working down over flat lining the side of the bench. it comes out like a foot so i can chock the backside up.
My brass vice arrived today, is in ok order missing two jaw screws and collar for main screw. Both missing jaw screws have snapped off, one of the brass screws that hold down the rear carriage is different front the others. jaw plates are smooth steel. Main screw is acme, Shows quite a lot of use, there is a brass shim under one side, which I had with my large 5 inch of similar design posted previously
jaw width is 56 mm
no markings at all, domed screws are not original as they are too short I feel, thoughts would be great
jaw width is 56 mm
no markings at all, domed screws are not original as they are too short I feel, thoughts would be great
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Nice and unusual vice Ranger
Sliding jaw side shaped recesses remind me of early Parkinson. They have that Victorian / pre Art Deco look about them. Round hub. Handle with elliptical end stops (not round)
4 bolt housing in 3 piece design.
Very early - I’m guessing maybe turn of 20th century to WW1. But just a guess.
The domed screws look original, complimenting the design, but you could be right if they don’t engage properly.
Nice one and of great age.
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thanks for this -- interesting
casting is a bit rough (eg see inside nice old Parky-type slide ways) - ie suggests either an early result before they'd finalised the mould runners and risers and pouring speed, or a sneaky one-off done on the night shift
original vices of this type/size nearly always had acme thread if not QR - this looks like a normal 'V-shape' screw thread, which would be the usual for a gen purpose machinist to fab
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talking of Peter Wright, they were nearish neighbours of Vono, who patented their slightly similar looking (tube shaped slider into circ cross sect way in fixed jaw body, a bit like the 'box' of a parallel wrought iron type)
well there's a Peter Wright which is actually a Vono on th'bay UK right now - cast iron no 3C which is the Vono model no., with the Vono patent and reg des nos cast in, but 'Peter Wright' where it should say Vono (my links never work, but search 'Peter Wright No 3C' if interested) -- so I guess there was some licensing or PW took over the patterns for this or?
btw ----- it's not cheap for a small bench vice but has a uniqueness value although I think I may have seen one before (also a 3C) BUT you should check the photos v.carefully if bidding as I think it may have quite a big weld repair - which could do with more fill in some places and a careful grind down - beneath the paint. maybe an offer?
vice making history is more complex than it seems at first, but interesting
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Definitely welded
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Anyone see this one posted in FB
Bench vice group?
A British Binch vice !!!!!
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How unusual!
Oh I do like that, well bought. A bit battered maybe but very cool.
Thanks for the pics.
Yes I saw that, I'd never seen one of those before, I agree it really is interesting all this vice history stuff.
That is a big repair on it which is a shame.
dannysheff
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anyone know about ---
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I have one without the clamp - very solid, well machined etc, 2 1/4in wide jaws, mine may have had the clamp sawn off?, but does swivel as this one - the clamp in this photo looks much more effective than the usual direct screw
the logo is two overlapping vertical octagonal shapes over a diamond on its side --- think I've seen similar before -- Polish? (although the Chinese Mount Tai brand had a diamond, it was quite different (older Mount Tai are pretty good, unlike more recent cxxxp)
Oh, it's not brass - that's just the lighting.
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I have one without the clamp - very solid, well machined etc, 2 1/4in wide jaws, mine may have had the clamp sawn off?, but does swivel as this one - the clamp in this photo looks much more effective than the usual direct screw
the logo is two overlapping vertical octagonal shapes over a diamond on its side --- think I've seen similar before -- Polish? (although the Chinese Mount Tai brand had a diamond, it was quite different (older Mount Tai are pretty good, unlike more recent cxxxp)
Oh, it's not brass - that's just the lighting.
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Well here it is in all its glory, up and working. Cleaned of rust, greased and some parts black leaded rather than painted. I fitted a Jacobs chuck to make it more useful, other than that it is completely original. Getting it in place was a job as it weights about 50kg and its not easy to lift.
