There's a YouTube video of a talk given by Clara Mattei at University College London on exactly this topic. It is cringing, at least in the beginning, because the host, Professor Mariana Mazzucato, who introduces the speaker, pretty much hogs the limelight for far too long. It's entertaining(?) to see the way Dr Mattei slowly deflates (she does so very politely), as she waits for the introduction to end.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4o0-Dxe4ko
www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4o0-Dxe4ko