Vertical up

[Liam567]

Hi guysorry I'll post some photos tomorrow still not as good as jody over in welding tips and tricks but a damp lot better than I was

 

[Liam567]

I'll have some photos up as soon as my camrate is working . The 7018 rods work great

 

[Burdekin]

The way I was taught was root pass straight up the centre, then starting at the bottom a triangle weave; up to the left, hold, over to the right, hold, down to the bottom, hold and carry on with that pattern.

 

[fizzy]

The way I was taught was root pass straight up the centre, then starting at the bottom a triangle weave; up to the left, hold, over to the right, hold, down to the bottom, hold and carry on with that pattern.

That is what ChuckE2009 advocates on his YouTuve videos - he really is pretty good with stick welding!

 

[Brad93]

He talks a load of absolute dog do and I doubt he could hold down a proper job the garbage that comes out his mouth. Luckily he gets sponsored for his YouTube videos really or he would be flat ass broke.

Watch welding tips and tricks and learn from someone that actually knows what they're talking about with the qualifications to back up what they are telling people to do. Jody is a CWI, started out as a pipe Welder, moved into metallurgical testing then into the training department for delta airlines.

That is what ChuckE2009 advocates on his YouTuve videos - he really is pretty good with stick welding!

 

[fizzy]

I do watch that as well.................

 

[Liam567]

I watch welding tips and tricks jody is very good at what he does and makes great clear vids

 

[Brian18741]

So what did we settle on, 6013 suck for vertical up? I've spent the last couple of days practicing and I'm happy with fillets but I can't v up or down for the life of me. The puddle just runs all over the place. Should I just give up on 6013 and get some 7018?

Welding 3mm plate with 2.5 6013 DCEN about 80amps.

 

[Arclikeharrypotter]

To much juice there for 2.5 v up on 3mm, try 70 amps, keep that arc real tight, fire her straight into the root.

 

[Brad93]

You shouldn't be v down with a normal 6013z

 

[Shedendman]

@Brad93 ever thought of doing some educational vids yourself?

 

[Arclikeharrypotter]

Just out of curiosity @Brad93 what job would specify downhill 6013, obviously a suitable cel based 6013. Other than speed and bead profile I can't see any benefits.

 

[Brad93]

So what did we settle on, 6013 suck for vertical up? I've spent the last couple of days practicing and I'm happy with fillets but I can't v up or down for the life of me. The puddle just runs all over the place. Should I just give up on 6013 and get some 7018?

Welding 3mm plate with 2.5 6013 DCEN about 80amps.

Just out of curiosity @Brad93 what job would specify downhill 6013, obviously a suitable cel based 6013. Other than speed and bead profile I can't see any benefits.

Some petrochemical and pressure vessel work is cleared for v down with 6013. For speed.
Very rarely done anymore. They can v up pulse mig so quick now. I done a procedure test recently. Very hit and miss. It was for an onsite job out in the elements.
You have to use a special 6013 too.
Most rutile rods have a bit of cellulose in them. If you use something like ESAB Ok 46.44 it has a lot more cellulose and is for going down.

 

[Arclikeharrypotter]

I had a play running some 6013 downhill, beautiful beautiful bead, but can't see much penetration, if I rember rightly I was 140A dcen, just to keep puddle behind electrode.

 

[Brad93]

@Brad93 ever thought of doing some educational vids yourself?

Can't see the point personally. I very much doubt the time it takes to do a video would pay a decent wage.

 

[Brad93]

I'll run some 6013 up and down tomorrow and post the pictures and macros

 

[Richard.]

See I think a rutile electrode runs lovely in the vertical up position they just ain't much good for anything other than general fab.
Try electrode negative at around 80amps and you'll find they stick like S-T-A-B.
Usually things become very fluently and running when you start letting that arc get longer or start hanging around in one spot too long. You've gotta get a move on with em. Personally if your gonna start doing v up do it with the rods where it's useful and crack open a pack of 7016/7018.
I had some seat time with a pack the other day as I was getting a bit rusty at it but after a couple of hours I was banging in some cracking multi runs on the vertical.

 

[Brian18741]

Thanks for the tips guys. 6013 are what came with the welder which is why I'm using them. I messed around some more at 70amps 2.5mm DCEN and got these results. I had amps too high before and like a 45 degree push angle so lowered amps to 70 and changed rod angle to about 90 degrees. Straight up for the root pass, weave for the cover. I can't get it smooth yet but am I on the right track? I just finished my first box if 6013 so dunno if I'll get another or just grab some 7018 instead.

 

[Arclikeharrypotter]

Personally I'd run the weave a little hotter and on dcep, 7018 imo are nicer to run, and alot easier positionallu, re strikes and tacking with them can be a pain though.

 

[sardine]

I'm OK on vertical up weaves, but never got anywhere with straight up, I'd like to be able to do a vertical lap on 4mm without burning off the edge.