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One of the best winches I've used for fine control is a capstan, just by by varying the tension on the dead end of line.
Jim Davey
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Your local welding supplier can also usually do heavy duty cabling and the crimp lugs.
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Hydraulics ok 'till your engines konked out in the middle of a pond/bog and won't start under water!
This definitely did not happen to me!
Then Mr @Ton-up your really innit, innit
That argument will roll on for years , there have been many a dead engined offroader with a leccy winch run its batteries down before pulling itself out and then having nothing left to start its engine. PTO hydraulic or capstan for me as per Mr @Robotstar5 , proper control with a winch that will work tirelessly all day. Half an hour of graft with these leccy ones and they normally suffer a melt down of the winch or sillynoids
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We have portable capstan winches, very handy and no restriction on your rope length
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Thanks for all the tips, so there are big fuses available and I'll fit an isolator. I bought a cheap hydraulic crimp tool off ebay and it works well for crimping big cables.
I only do light off roading in this car, so the leccy winch is fine, it's on four bolts and a quick release electrical connector so it can quickly get moved to the rear.
Once I have my Vitara finished, I'm starting on my off road Ultra4 racer. I think most people in Ultra4 class use electric winches, very very expensive ones that cost as much as my entire buggy build is projected to cost. I'll be running a Landrover transfer box so there's hydraulic pumps available that bolt onto that, but I was just planning on using a cheap £250 electric winch. I keep telling everyone I'm not in it to win races I'm just doing it for fun.
I only do light off roading in this car, so the leccy winch is fine, it's on four bolts and a quick release electrical connector so it can quickly get moved to the rear.
Once I have my Vitara finished, I'm starting on my off road Ultra4 racer. I think most people in Ultra4 class use electric winches, very very expensive ones that cost as much as my entire buggy build is projected to cost. I'll be running a Landrover transfer box so there's hydraulic pumps available that bolt onto that, but I was just planning on using a cheap £250 electric winch. I keep telling everyone I'm not in it to win races I'm just doing it for fun.
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I still need a solution for shielding the cables. There is a bundle of cables running down the chassis, the winch cables, the diff lock airlines, and three nylon fuel tubes (feed, return, vent). They are spiral wrapped together and cable tied to the chassis!
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Get some old fire hose, split it , wrap it round and cable tie
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Run them inside the car like rally cars do?.
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I did that with my Landy - ran the wiring harness along the channels on the inside of the tub where the sides bolt to. If I needed to lift the tub just undid some connectors behind the centre seat.
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Then Mr @Ton-up your really innit, innit
That argument will roll on for years , there have been many a dead engined offroader with a leccy winch run its batteries down before pulling itself out and then having nothing left to start its engine. PTO hydraulic or capstan for me as per Mr @Robotstar5 , proper control with a winch that will work tirelessly all day. Half an hour of graft with these leccy ones and they normally suffer a melt down of the winch or sillynoids
Bob
I agree wholeheartedly! I don't have a powered winch anymore, as you said, more often needed on the back, so I now have a Tirfor I chuck in the back and if I don't have that, a high-lift jack and chain!
They come under many names and mega fuses are one.
If you have your engine underwater you've done it wrong anyway, so there is little point in winching your vehicle out if you cannot recover it.
Health and Safety effectively did away with them, but water boards still use capstan winches to throw out, and recover nets from large rivers and reservoirs, and personally I do like them; especially when you can balance a 2 tonne 4X4 with two fingers.
Many now run a channel the full length of the vehicle to protect them, usually at the top of a chassis rail, it is more impact damage which is the issue than electrical malfunctions which are rare on a correctly wired vehicle.
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8ob
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Try telling a Camel Trophy entrant that
They aren't underwater, merely partially submerged with a snorkel.
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The higher spec Camel Trophy winches are just packed with silicon to try and keep the water out.
The electric / hydraulic debate is a long one but professional use its hydraulic amateurs its electric but a Tirfor and a highlift are the best cheap option.
The problem with many winches is people stealing them as they are so expensive.
A national grid team lost a massive hydraulic winch off the from of a Unimog whilst in a cafe! Some one drove up and unbolted it in less than 20 mins
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I've heard of a few where they've just unbolted the bumper/winch off Land Rovers and seen a couple with a security wire locked through the hawse mouth and round the front Xmember.
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This is one of the better solutions
https://www.securitysafetyproducts....ews-fixings/?products_finish=32&screw-group=7
The other common thing is using the wrong grade bolts to fasten the winch or bumper on.
I have a friend who did the calcs for my bumpers but when he did them we found a competitors bumper wasn't up to the job and may possibly fail, the issue we saw was anyone can knock a few up but may have no calcs or liability insurance
https://www.securitysafetyproducts....ews-fixings/?products_finish=32&screw-group=7
The other common thing is using the wrong grade bolts to fasten the winch or bumper on.
I have a friend who did the calcs for my bumpers but when he did them we found a competitors bumper wasn't up to the job and may possibly fail, the issue we saw was anyone can knock a few up but may have no calcs or liability insurance
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An'it that the truth. I built a winchbumper for a Ramsey 12k lbs worm-drive for my 90, they stole that before I had chance to use the winch. Made a quick release caddy so it could be fitted to the dickson bate rear tow as well
The winch is still under the bench, along with a brand new coil of Dyneema rope.
