Adventures in an all electric vehicle.

[GRW]

I fully expect the vehicle being scrapped needs to have an in-date MOT to be considered for the scheme? So quite likely not the ‘really polluting‘ section of old vehicles around?

I dare say there are quite a few old but mot'd & serviceable vehicles on the roads who (because they are old & pre-date emissions standards are automatically presumed "dirty" even if they aren't) driving about.

Relatively simple, they are within the realms of the basic home mechanic with basic tools - to keep roadworthy on a budget.... but have kittle monetary value.

These are the vehicles a scrappage scheme will see eliminated from the vehicle market.

2-grand is still a chunk of money.... & there are those who'd buy a "banger" for a few hundred - just to chop it straight in & score £1500 for free. I'm pretty sure there was some of that happening with the last scrappage scheme.

It's akin to taking your serviceable stuff to the tip instead of to a charity or even a car boot sale for someone with less than you to make use of...... & all in the name of "saving the planet".

(Funny, I say I'll not spend money on am EV..... but I am in reality of course. Its just my money goes to subsidise those already with more money - to have an EV).

 

[brewdexta]

I wonder what salary you have to be on to get that deal as the article doesn't say?

Salary sacrifice is a often used if you want to add money to your pension and has been used in the past for cycle to work schemes for buying a bike. There's isn't a salary limit, you just need for your employer to partake in the scheme and take salary at source. If your self employed and pay yourself a wage from the business, then your accountant can sort it for you, or do it yourself.

EDIT, the salary you sacrifice can't take you below the minimum wage, that's the only restriction

Are salary sacrifice car schemes worth it in 2023? - OSV

Are salary sacrifice car schemes worth it? 1 in 4 doesn’t think the idea of salary sacrifice is a positive one. Are they right to think so?

www.osv.ltd.uk

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

2-grand is still a chunk of money.... & there are those who'd buy a "banger" for a few hundred - just to chop it straight in & score £1500 for free.

Yea but I think it's only off a non-ULEZ car...so can't just trade in any car. If he was offering a £2k incentive for people to swap a non-compliant car for a ULEZ car then I'd say that was a genuine push to help the less well off.

Personally I think it's just a publicity stunt...the ULEZ is very unpopular and the mayor has been instructed to go on a charm offensive it seems after the bruising his party got in the local elections recently!

 

[brewdexta]

Before somebody says they wouldn't have a second hand EV because of the battery

This 2018 Tesla Model 3 Passed the 300,000-Mile Mark, Here's What You Need To Know

Tesla Model Y is a relatively new model on the market, so there are few cars with high mileage to show how they cope with abuse over time. Earlier in the...

www.autoevolution.com

There are Teslas on Britain's roads with over 300k miles on the clock

DVSA records show that there are over 700 Teslas on UK roads today with more than 100,000 miles on the clock - and the highest mileage example has more than three times that amount.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

 

[m_c]

2-grand is still a chunk of money.... & there are those who'd buy a "banger" for a few hundred - just to chop it straight in & score £1500 for free. I'm pretty sure there was some of that happening with the last scrappage scheme.

Previous scrappage schemes you had to have had the vehicle registered in your own name for a period of time. IIRC it was 12 weeks.

I know I scrapped my old van on one of Ford's scrappage schemes and got £5k for it, but that wasn't a government scheme.

 

[redlig]

Doubt it'll make much difference to the better off...people currently buying are doing it thro the BIK tax relief or the salary sacrifice relief....the scrappage scheme is basically chicken feed and most who can afford it have already swapped their cars for ulez compliant ones anyway.

Old diesels disappeared from my street months ago...replaced mostly with petrols. People who bought EVs did so years ago on the other schemes....they just swap them for new every few years....that what I'm seeing here in West London.

Is it £2k off a "non ulez car....less than 1 month before the deadline? An EV costs £30k-£40k...delivery in a year?....ain't really going sway people I think.

I doubt it will sway many ,as you said, but it's an nice little bonus for those that had already decided.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

I doubt it will sway many ,as you said, but it's an nice little bonus for those that had already decided.

I'm looking at the Octopus deal at the moment...basically I'll get 40% off an EV so pay £24k for a £40k car!

It really is a no brainer I think...another £2k off as you say just adds a cherry on the top .

 

[OJCar]

Seeing some reports that the ULEZ cameras are being cut down by activists in Bromley.

 

[GRW]

Seeing some reports that the ULEZ cameras are being cut down by activists in Bromley.

Can't blame people. It's not so different to when people were breaking Scamera's.

 

[DAPPH]

Think that does not work Pete.
When petrol was sold in cans there were few cars and only the well off had one, now mass transport near impossible for society to function without motor vehicles so infrastructure first is a big requirement

Our first EV came with its own 13 amp plug in at home charger so did all the others only when did the idea of EV take off , did the requirement arise for zillions of public charging stations .. governments would have looked right tawts covering the country with a spiders web of unused heavier chargers that the taxpayers fund . the yapping and yorping about it would have been heard on the moon.

Demand alone will drive the number of charging points , government might step in with incentives & plans if enough entrepreneurs fail to take on the challenge out of their own pockets . But looking as solar PV at home it's not happened only the big boys with the skills & knowledge have the ability to fund & install solar farms and turbine arrays

Snippet of info for those that are interested in EV's might find interesting.

MSN

 

[DAPPH]

I came across a used car scheme for EVs that is pretty interesting....its a salary sacrifice scheme run by Octopus energy.

Whats interesting is it also includes a charger and 4,000 miles of "free" electricity...the cars are leased but seems interesting as I don't really want to own an EV outright...and definitely not a used one at that!

Motability EV returns from curtailed leasing due to too much incapacity or death could well be the source of a lot or used EV leases

 

[bricol]

I dare say there are quite a few old but mot'd & serviceable vehicles on the roads who (because they are old & pre-date emissions standards are automatically presumed "dirty" even if they aren't) driving about.

Relatively simple, they are within the realms of the basic home mechanic with basic tools - to keep roadworthy on a budget.... but have kittle monetary value.

These are the vehicles a scrappage scheme will see eliminated from the vehicle market.

2-grand is still a chunk of money.... & there are those who'd buy a "banger" for a few hundred - just to chop it straight in & score £1500 for free. I'm pretty sure there was some of that happening with the last scrappage scheme.

It's akin to taking your serviceable stuff to the tip instead of to a charity or even a car boot sale for someone with less than you to make use of...... & all in the name of "saving the planet".

(Funny, I say I'll not spend money on am EV..... but I am in reality of course. Its just my money goes to subsidise those already with more money - to have an EV).

All the info is there to be read on their website rather than make up the worst possible scenario for wasting money if you could be bothered to look!!!

Your "those who'd" would have had to have done it so they had the non-compliant car registered in their name from Jan 2022, and have it road legal, taxed and insured . .

Having lived and worked in London in 1991/2, I chose to do anything other than drive, even back then - so weighing my old Renault 5 in for 1600 quid and an annual unlimited TFL pass would have sounded like a good idea to me!

 

[GRW]

All the info is there to be read on their website rather than make up the worst possible scenario for wasting money if you could be bothered to look!!!

Your "those who'd" would have had to have done it so they had the non-compliant car registered in their name from Jan 2022, and have it road legal, taxed and insured . .

Having lived and worked in London in 1991/2, I chose to do anything other than drive, even back then - so weighing my old Renault 5 in for 1600 quid and an annual unlimited TFL pass would have sounded like a good idea to me!

Driving a Renault 5 anywhere, let alone in London, might just be enough misery to make anyone want to take the bus - even without a cash bung

 

[500e]

 

[premmington]

@GRW

This looks abit better for lower income people (I think)

Sort of swap your "dead end of life car for a travel card credit"...

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Birmingham’s vehicle scrappage and travel credit scheme​

Birmingham City Council introduced its own vehicle scrappage scheme (worth £10 million) a few weeks before its Clean Air Zone (CAZ) started, from 1 June 2021 onwards.
You’ll be eligible for Birmingham’s car scrappage scheme if: • You’re the registered owner or keeper of a non-compliant vehicle since 10 September 2018 (copy of V5C required for proof) • You work at least 18 hours per week in Birmingham’s Clean Air Zone - within A4540 Middleway (letter from your employer required as proof) • Your annual income is £30,000 or less (copy of payslips, a P60 or a tax return as proof) With the scheme, you’ll be eligible for a £2,000 grant which you can use as ‘travel credit’ in the form of a Swift travel card for West Midlands trains, buses and metro or to buy a new car that meets Birmingham Clean Air Zone’s emission requirements from the dealership – Motorpoint.

 

[GRW]

@GRW

This looks abit better for lower income people (I think)

Sort of swap your "dead end of life car for a travel card credit"...

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Birmingham’s vehicle scrappage and travel credit scheme​

Birmingham City Council introduced its own vehicle scrappage scheme (worth £10 million) a few weeks before its Clean Air Zone (CAZ) started, from 1 June 2021 onwards.
You’ll be eligible for Birmingham’s car scrappage scheme if: • You’re the registered owner or keeper of a non-compliant vehicle since 10 September 2018 (copy of V5C required for proof) • You work at least 18 hours per week in Birmingham’s Clean Air Zone - within A4540 Middleway (letter from your employer required as proof) • Your annual income is £30,000 or less (copy of payslips, a P60 or a tax return as proof) With the scheme, you’ll be eligible for a £2,000 grant which you can use as ‘travel credit’ in the form of a Swift travel card for West Midlands trains, buses and metro or to buy a new car that meets Birmingham Clean Air Zone’s emission requirements from the dealership – Motorpoint.

It does at least seem like an initiative that's had some thought put into it - to encourage a switch away from the car, but with less negative impact upon the individual.

If its an initiative in isolation though, I'd have concerns. E.g. the concern would be that without investment into the public transport system to ensure its able to carry enough people where they need to be, when they need to be there.... and of course at travel rates that are very fair & affordable.... that it wouldn't actually be all that great in actuality.

At least it shows more evidence of some thought & consideration put into it as a policy - not just "Let's create an exclusion zone & screw those who can't afford an EV for using their ICE"

 

[GRW]

I am wondering how many there might be that would conform to all those “ifs”. Somehow I don’t think much of that £10 million will be claimed. Seems more likely that those that derived the rules are top of the list?

I'd not be in the least surprised tbh. There's little reason for anyone to have any faith in any "Public Servant" at any govt level IMO. The only concept of "service" I see evidence of - is "self-service".

 

[fizzy]

Earlier someone mentioned hiw China was going big on renewables.
Then I saw this. China is installing 50gw/h of new coal powerstations. This new capacity is far more than Britain uses in total
So whilst our old people are scared to turn the heating on the just stop oil mob need to go where it really matters!

China approves more than 50GW of coal power in 2023 despite climate concerns

China has approved more than 50 gigawatts (GW) of new coal power in the first six months of 2023 despite commitments to reduce its carbon emissions, research from Greenpeace has shown.

eandt.theiet.org

 

[reb78]

the just stop oil mob need to go where it really matters!

Can you imagine them protesting in China....? Much too much like hard work!

 

[GRW]

Earlier someone mentioned hiw China was going big on renewables.
Then I saw this. China is installing 50gw/h of new coal powerstations. This new capacity is far more than Britain uses in total
So whilst our old people are scared to turn the heating on the just stop oil mob need to go where it really matters!

China approves more than 50GW of coal power in 2023 despite climate concerns

China has approved more than 50 gigawatts (GW) of new coal power in the first six months of 2023 despite commitments to reduce its carbon emissions, research from Greenpeace has shown.

eandt.theiet.org

Using these Coal Fired Piwer Stations..... well they need so much Energy to run the Factories..... that are making all the Renewables....

To sell to us!


It puts perspective on (& makes a mockery of) our inflated ideas of being a global influence for environmental responsibility.
The UK is no longer a World Leader with an Empire & an influence.... we are a Customer for the goods others manufacture.