Air Source Heat Pump

[not done it yet]

But folk didn't smoke so much back then (if at all) - think of all the methane collecting underneath the floors.

Methane will dissipate (rise), not collect low down - it is less dense than air (8 v 14 on a comparative basis).

 

[not done it yet]

I'm in a badly built Edwardian stone house, under floor voids, no insulation, but double glazed sash windows. Designed for cheap local coal. So a disaster for heat pumps.

Are these windows with double glazed panes or windows with secondary double glazing? The latter is better than the former.

Our lounge window (at the front), and patio door (at the rear), are double glazed panes but with secondary glazing (making them triple glazed). This provides a welcome reduction of heating costs/ heat loss.

 

[slim_boy_fat]

Methane will dissipate (rise), not collect low down - it is less dense than air (8 v 14 on a comparative basis).

That being the case, it'd rise to the occupants of the floor above as I don't suppose for a moment that medieval floorboards were well sealed. Q.E.D.

Mine was a frivolous comment and hardly worth the discussion.

 

[DAPPH]

Its a one-off house, so not built by a mass house builder. Build quality is very good, with perhaps the exception of the heating system

I was more pondering how I might incorporate an additional heating system (no gas), fan heaters not really ideal in the long run.

A couple of the £100 plus mini diesel 4 kw heaters to blast out hot air when you need it m you can use extra heat resisting pipes to pipe the heater air to so many areas .
Check out Skotl's interesting and very informative install thread a bit further back and check out some of the links for heat resisting pipe work

0.5 litres per heater per hour or so mid range heat , The don't take a lot of time or make mess to install them. Most local fuel delivery companies can / do supply heating oil in 45 gallon barrels if you ask them .


Just got a notification, the one I purchased off eBay supposed to be here 19 Dec , seller told me a few min ago it is out of stock, but three days ago I've already had a notification it has been dispatched and collected via Evri and is out for delivery

I think / hope it is because I contacted the seller asking what height the fuel pump could draw fuel up to & not reading English just hit the normal Chinese " No stock " reply button

 

[Shox Dr]

A couple of the £100 plus mini diesel 4 kw heaters to blast out hot air when you need it m you can use extra heat resisting pipes to pipe the heater air to so many areas .
Check out Skotls interesting and very informative install thread and check out some of the links for heat resisting pipe work

0.5 litres per heater per hour or so mid range heat , The don't take a lot of time or make mess to install them. Most local fuel delivery companies can / do supply heating oil in 45 gallon barrels if you ask them .


Just got a notification, the one I purchased off eBay supposed to be here 19 Dec , seller told me a few min ago it is out of stock, but three days ago I've already had a notification it has been dispatched and collected via Evri and is out for delivery

I think / hope it is because I contacted the seller asking what height the fuel pump could draw fuel up to & not reading English just hit the normal Chinese " No stock " reply button

You my have a long wait
Trading tadards have impounded a consignment at port. Said the installation manual was inadequate

 

[DAPPH]

You my have a long wait
Trading tadards have impounded a consignment at port. Said the installation manual was inadequate

B,B, B,But I speeky Chinglish & watch YEWTUBZ installs, as well as pick the brains of the proper henginears on this site ......what could possibly go Wong ?

 

[Shox Dr]

Linky

Suffolk Trading Standards Imports Surveillance Team have detained 973 diesel heaters at the Port of Felixstowe over the last two months

All products were found to be unsafe, with listings for all sellers removed on eBay. Consignments arrived at the Port in October and November and were stopped

uknip.co.uk

All products were found to be unsafe, with listings for all sellers removed on eBay.
Consignments arrived at the Port in October and November and were stopped by the team, with samples sent to a test house for assessment.
Each of the products did not meet the requirements of the Supply of Machinery (Safety) Regulations 2008 because they could present the hazards of fire and death due to poor supporting installation information.
Manuals supplied with the products failed to give measurements for installing and did not give the minimum distance the exhaust pipe can be installed from flammable material, or material that could give off poisonous fumes when heated, such as insulation material.
No warning was provided about heat and dangers to the user if installed incorrectly.
Large parts of the manuals were written in poor English and had incorrect words used. The intended meaning was, in some cases, difficult to understand.
Additionally, the products and instructions did not have the name and address of the importer or manufacturer, and did not included the required Declaration of Conformity (DoC). A DoC is a formal declaration by a manufacturer, or the manufacturer’s representative, that the product to which it applies meets all relevant requirements of all product safety directives applicable to that product.
If you have purchased a product that you think may be unsafe, stop using it immediately and report it to Trading Standards via Citizens Advice Consumer Service on 0808 223 1133

 

[Mikes]

B,B, B,But I speeky Chinglish & watch YEWTUBZ installs, as well as pick the brains of the proper henginears on this site ......what could possibly go Wong ?

Since when has a man read a manual before doing a job!

 

[Welderpaul]

A couple of the £100 plus mini diesel 4 kw heaters to blast out hot air when you need it m you can use extra heat resisting pipes to pipe the heater air to so many areas .
Check out Skotl's interesting and very informative install thread a bit further back and check out some of the links for heat resisting pipe work

I don't think i'd be able to sell that one to the mrs. The smell of diesel and pipes trailing round the house

 

[Wildefalcon]

Are these windows with double glazed panes or windows with secondary double glazing? The latter is better than the former.

Our lounge window (at the front), and patio door (at the rear), are double glazed panes but with secondary glazing (making them triple glazed). This provides a welcome reduction of heating costs/ heat loss.

Something to explore, I'd worry that the venting that the felt brushes in the sashes provides would be blocked. Black mould and so forth.

 

[More Amps]

"No warning was provided about heat" If I really need to be warned in writing that a diesel heater may become hot (hopefully!) then I might be tempted to call it a day and check out...

 

[not done it yet]

Mine was a frivolous comment and hardly worth the discussion.

Trouble is there are loads around who would believe what you posted. From cattle below, the metane content above will never reach an explosive concentration - the methane will dissipate to the exterior just as quickly as it is replaced with more warm air from below. The old roofs were not that impermeable, either.

Certainly not worth discusding gurther.

 

[Gareth J]

Where they're fitted and struggle they will just try and run all the time. Ideally a low energy heating system gets the property to temperature and the heat losses through the building fabric are low and slow, otherwise the "boiler" or whatever will just short cycle.

A lot of british houses have been built to never stay warm. Just get the air inside them hot ASAP so you can get out of bed/sit down after tea and repeat. The likes of smart hive systems play into this mentality. The alternative is keeping the whole house warm all the time, very hard with a heat pump if the house is leaky. Also won't work if you try to use the hp as a quick temperature boost either.

I'd appeal.

Little point. Onshore wind planning restrictions are quite clear. Unless you build it as a community energy scheme, or it falls within permitted development rules (which it sounds like the one in question won't) it's a non starter. Government are under pressure to U-turn, even from their own back benchers, but it's a policy they campaigned for, way back when.

No permission needed for wind turbine's in some places, having an existing air source heat pump is one of the criteria for needing permission.

Legal Plan and Permission Wind Turbines

Advice and guidance on planning permission for Wind turbines, renewable energy provision requires specialist planning knowledge.

renewableenergyhub.co.uk

Bob

I think (might be wrong) but a heat pump installation actually makes you ineligible for a turbine! Madness.




OP, a small woodburner would supplement a heat pump that struggles in coolest times well. Wouldn't worry about plumbing it in, just let the mvhr mover the air around. If you don't have an mvhr system, consider that too!

 

[not done it yet]

Since when has a man read a manual before doing a job!

When they are smart enough to realise that safety is important and these things can kill?

Most don’t even read the specification, let alone any instructions.

The latest batch on epay have pics of the machine upside down, claims of twice the amount of heat being available from the fuel, etc, etc.

On here, we have some advocating dangerous additions/modifications. Do remember that 50% of the population are below average!

 

[Seadog]

50%? Is that all?

 

[julianthegypsy]

Wasn't it Michael Gove who said he wanted all schools to be above average?

 

[not done it yet]

50%? Is that all?

There would need to be a very skewed distribution for the average not to be around 50%.

 

[Greeves246]

Does anyone know what temperature the water in the now closed deep coal mines is? Lots of old pits in this area, surely that heat is recoverable.

 

[Stupoty]

There would need to be a very skewed distribution for the average not to be around 50%.

It's a bell curve distribution , most are in the mid whit category and a small amount above and below.

https://www.highiqpro.com/iq-tests/what-does-my-iq-score-mean

Stu

 

[DAPPH]

Trouble is there are loads around who would believe what you posted. From cattle below, the metane content above will never reach an explosive concentration - the methane will dissipate to the exterior just as quickly as it is replaced with more warm air from below. The old roofs were not that impermeable, either.

Certainly not worth discusding gurther.

The ammonia produced from urine on dung and straw would be as damaging to human lungs