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Many MOT garages are not averse to doing high price patch job bodges! After all £100-150 for patching a sill is pretty easy money.
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Jim Davey
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You don't meet many MOT welders that have actually been taught to weld, hence most MOT welders doing a rotten job. There are good ones but they tend to be the exception rather than the rule. Cars are troublesome to weld, that's why most welders won't touch a rusty car repair with a ten foot pole, putting you fimly back in the hands of the man who whom welding is not a profession, just a necessary chore to keep clients cash coming in.
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Chris Stevens
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Even if an MOT welder does know what they are doing (which is unlikely), then why on earth would they choose to take more time to do a reasonable job, when a bodge pays them exactly the same? Car is going to pass MOT even if the work isnt up to MOT standard, and as long as it passes the customer isnt likely to worry much about whether its a good job or not.
steveo3002
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yeah its hard when youre in the trade to show intrested in neglected rusty cars , plus alot of folk are bonus so you earn more to cut corners and do the bare minimum
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Chris Stevens
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Exactly right Steve. Its maybe a bit silly to expect a good job if you have a rotten old car, and are paying an MOT garage to patch it to get a ticket?
I have seen a Type 2 which was only tested a couple of weeks before, with thin tin tacked over large holes in the rear axle beam, and the whole mess covered in underseal.
The person had only just bought the van with a new MOT, and I advised them to go to the test station, and ask for full refund of the purchase price, or they would be making a formal complaint to the ministry about the issue of dodgy MOT's
I have seen a Type 2 which was only tested a couple of weeks before, with thin tin tacked over large holes in the rear axle beam, and the whole mess covered in underseal.
The person had only just bought the van with a new MOT, and I advised them to go to the test station, and ask for full refund of the purchase price, or they would be making a formal complaint to the ministry about the issue of dodgy MOT's
steveo3002
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its why i bought my own welder and do all my own work that i possibly can , want a job doing right do it yourself and all that
i can get decent enough results and im not paying £££ for the privalige
i can get decent enough results and im not paying £££ for the privalige
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Welding rusty cars often combines so many different jobs;
Found this during a clear up, always gives me a smile when I see it. Taken from a Chrysler 383 engine with a Japanese alternator retrofitted.....
Two different material thickness's.
Think it was arc welded.
I like the grinding, a half hearted attempt to make it look pretty. (Sat alongside the replacement.)
- Investigator to find out what needs doing or how the job has been bodged before.
- Interrogator to ascertain the truth about who really did the previous bodges.
- Evaluator as to the quality of work required.
- Negotiator for the price of work required.
- Councillor to help the customer recover from the Negotiators price.
- Grief Councillor when the Evaluator explains vehicle is beyond economical repair. (Or the small fire spread unexpectedly)
- Welder.
Found this during a clear up, always gives me a smile when I see it. Taken from a Chrysler 383 engine with a Japanese alternator retrofitted.....
Two different material thickness's.
Think it was arc welded.
I like the grinding, a half hearted attempt to make it look pretty. (Sat alongside the replacement.)
Back in the 60s when I was an apprentice (there were loads of us) all different trades, I'm nearly sure that welding was only taught to panel beaters and that most mechanics picked it up on the way, I don't think I've come across a mechanic that doesn't weld, Things might have changed now though, maybe that young Doubleboost could shed some light on it
steveo3002
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still the same as far as ive seen , they just have a go
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Chris Stevens
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Thinking making tea and instruction on how to sweep up, are the main things covered in "apprenticeships" today................lol
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And I think some are working at capacity doing that, certainly at first.
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When I did the sill on my fiesta, I found the previous owner or whoever they appointed had just tack welded on the whole sill! It had failed an mot on rust in this area so the repair had obviously got through the retest! (Guessing it was welded and mot'd at the same place)
When I cut it all out I found it had 3 sills fitted! An aftermarket full sill then 2 skin sills! This explained why the door was rubbing on the sill!
When I cut it all out I found it had 3 sills fitted! An aftermarket full sill then 2 skin sills! This explained why the door was rubbing on the sill!
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Do I recall correctly that the "MOT TESTER" is not allowed/permitted to do the repairs (inc welding?) to a car that has failed and HE will be retesting, as he will be examining and qualifying his own work ???
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Well it was put as a question 
I made a cup of tea just before tea break (as you do)still an apprentice and an ever so stroppy Gaffa (foreman)said WHO'S TEAS THAT. Ringtons was the reply to which there was no reply.
Pffft! I welded my cars OS rear quarter a year n a half ago... kept burning holes in it with the flux core (0.6mm guv!) so I thought **Language** it, turned the heat down got enough blu tac welds into it to hold it on... gave it a good kick with my foot, didn't come off... aah good enough for me! Slathered the "welded" panel and blutac welds with bodyfiller and then painted over the top... looks dodgy asf! but has passed 2 MOTS so far! Car is 19yrs old, as if I care?
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One of many issues I've come across in my welding career is, people who have been shown, by some one who's been shown by a person who's been shown how to 'weld' but not one has been trained or instructed as to what constitutes a good weld, or what they're looking for when they 'arc up'
Working at Appledore shipbuilders, people would be asked if they would be prepared to learn to weld; it was more money, so why not; The wire drive units were pre-set, number 1/2=down hand, 3/4=vertical down 5/6=overhead, they would have about 2 weeks training and let go on the ship, the structural sections would be welded by time served welders,
Working at Appledore shipbuilders, people would be asked if they would be prepared to learn to weld; it was more money, so why not; The wire drive units were pre-set, number 1/2=down hand, 3/4=vertical down 5/6=overhead, they would have about 2 weeks training and let go on the ship, the structural sections would be welded by time served welders,
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Usually an excess of enthusiasm over ability!
