Electric cars and the grid..... it has begun.

[mike os]

But that’s the equivalent of doing 72 in a 60 or 84 in 70 ….

 

[m_c]

there safety cameras dont forget that they have them on the main road near us but theres never been an accident in 45 years on it

That depends on how they're implemented.
Police can put a speed camera wherever they want, but any fines just go into a central fund, the same as any fines any police officer issue you.
In order for the local area to benefit from fines, cameras and locations have to be part of a local safety partnership which has restrictions on where cameras are positioned. They've got to be positioned in known speeding and accident spots, with that regularly reviewed.

 

[brightspark]

That depends on how they're implemented.
Police can put a speed camera wherever they want, but any fines just go into a central fund, the same as any fines any police officer issue you.
In order for the local area to benefit from fines, cameras and locations have to be part of a local safety partnership which has restrictions on where cameras are positioned. They've got to be positioned in known speeding and accident spots, with that regularly reviewed.

where i live its like a racetrack on a night i rang the old bill up about it and they said its not viable to use a speed camera as they wouldnt catch many . so that says it all in a nutshell . revenue

 

[GRW]

That depends on how they're implemented.
Police can put a speed camera wherever they want, but any fines just go into a central fund, the same as any fines any police officer issue you.
In order for the local area to benefit from fines, cameras and locations have to be part of a local safety partnership which has restrictions on where cameras are positioned. They've got to be positioned in known speeding and accident spots, with that regularly reviewed.

Not really. They deployed round here wherever they feel is a good trap spot (i.e. where they can tuck away and hide as much as possible, and usually where & when the posted limit is out of all proportion to the true risk/safety levels to anyone.
They'll also park up illegally in Bus Stops, on verges on corners etc - anything to score a hit on a taxpayer's wallet.

The "known accident spots" thing is whitewash tosh, as they can (& do) simply claim that they are responding to local (GDPR name protected aka likely Victor Meldrew or Fictional) resident speed complaint. This claim effectively gives them a feeble justification to Scamera anywhere.

It's a Racket (with a feeble effort at justification that's not backed up by actual practices).

 

[minimutly]

But that’s the equivalent of doing 72 in a 60 or 84 in 70 ….

If you say so - its not the equivalent of anything.
The really anoying thing is, we have a perfectly adequate 30 in our village, never policed. The sensible drivers obey it, near as. The thicko bmw audi drivers, and increasingly merc, just come through at 60 or mor, because the rules of the road don't apply to them. When they (the Welsh government) put a 20 here they will still do 60 or more...

 

[mike os]

If you say so - its not the equivalent of anything.
The really anoying thing is, we have a perfectly adequate 30 in our village, never policed. The sensible drivers obey it, near as. The thicko bmw audi drivers, and increasingly merc, just come through at 60 or mor, because the rules of the road don't apply to them. When they (the Welsh government) put a 20 here they will still do 60 or more...

it is the equivalent... in fact it is exactly the same, its 20% over the posted limit... get over it or complain to your council... "obey it, near as." .. is that the same as saying they don't ? or is that just you playing with words to justify your position that its ok to ignore it as long as its in your village, or you think it safe? the rules don't change because you don't like them....

 

[slim_boy_fat]

The thicko bmw audi drivers, and increasingly merc, just come through at 60 or mor, because the rules of the road don't apply to them

Oi!! Have a care, young man. But a bit of a sweeping assumption/stereotyping there.

 

[maroon]

it is the equivalent... in fact it is exactly the same, its 20% over the posted limit... get over it or complain to your council... "obey it, near as." .. is that the same as saying they don't ? or is that just you playing with words to justify your position that its ok to ignore it as long as its in your village, or you think it safe? the rules don't change because you don't like them....

Does it apply to push bikes?

Also. Can a car stop quicker than a push bike at 20mph?

 

[DAPPH]

@DAPPH
Do you know if you can get a 7 seater PHEV?
We had the diesel 7 seater Outlander and recently sold it and got a Honda HRV but the missus keeps on about missing her 7 seater!

Yes, ours came as two front ,two middle and a three seater back bench seat, still with enough room for three sensibly sized suitcases , my seats are down at the dealership as they had to be taken out to get my electric whel chair to safely fit inth back cargo area.

But as said, Mitsubishi are no longer serving the UK with their cars so a second hand one seems to be the way forward , Get a proper dealership one that has been battery discharge /load tested
Ours is on a 15 plate ( 7 .5 yrs old ) & has done 80,000 or so miles and is run off the battery most of the time.

 

[dobbslc]

Thanks, how many miles can it do on electric only?

 

[DAPPH]

Yeah. I detest the things. Round here they are always deployed at peak traffic times (where the volume of traffic means no chance of catching anyone truly dangerous, but they'll catch a profitable number of "offenders" a few mph over the posted limit - and often when the limit has been lowered below that which has been considered perfectly safe for decades).
There is very little to no "safety" justification for where & when the Scamera's are deployed in Dyfed-Powys - but a mass of evidence pointing squarely at blatant Highway Banditry.

Question.
For it's size per sq.mile , why does Wales have such a high number of traffic incidents and road traffic related deaths ? I've been here in Wales for 17.5 years and have seen seven dead people in separate incidents as well as knowing of the two dead boy racers killing themselves just down the hill from here. Goodness only knows how RTI I've seen in that time besides those mentioned below , well into the thirties I suspect.

Road and TMS cameras do seem to help stop things going even higher that's for sure . But it didn't help the two fatally injured within about 18 weeks of each other or their smashed up passengers on the long hill going by our front garden where there are speed restrictions and four speed bumps but no camera's so no financial & restrictive penalties to make the drivers slow down .

 

[DAPPH]

Thanks, how many miles can it do on electric only?

Fully charged on a warm day about 33 if you are sensible on the accelerator , 24 if you give it what for....... Wheeeeee !

Cold days with the heater & wipers on about 20 miles, below minus 10oC with heater on demist and in to the cabin about 12 miles .

Towing our l 2 ton laden five berth caravan ... about 16 miles in 10 oC or above, up & down a few hills for about 6 miles, then on to the motorway for another 10 - 12 miles It pulls up hills like rippling the skin off a rice pudding on battery or engine power as the battery and engine both work together under such a loading condition. It goes into regenerative braking ( This puts a bit of charge back in to the drive battery when breaking or going into overrun when descending a hill ) . Going into gegen also has a braking effect as th charging take place , in consequence Alison did not use the brakes enough to keep the caliper pistons free. One siezed up the other was a bit sticky on the front and thankfuly that was covered under the extended warrantee . She now uses the brakes fairly hard at least twice during each journey to stop at stop signs thus keeping the pistons free.

The 2 litre petrol engine always comes on for the first few seconds of each journey then if a decent battery state is found it goes over to battery .

You can flick a switch to run on engine alone or use the engine to charge the battery as you drive , useful for no ICE running zones so you have a full charge just before you enter the restricted zone where various sensors tied to cameras check your vehicle for exhaust gas emissions & exhaust heat signature so computers & people can send you a fine if you're non compliant .

Four wheel drive is electric and done at the flick of a switch , I've only used it three time, two in snow and once on a muddy field at a game fair where inexperienced & a few experienced drivers in their Chelsea Tractors & Landrovers were getting stuck in the " FOUR WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES ONLY PAST THIS POINT " part of the parking area dawn by the river , waiting for one of the two big fast track to haul them out of the mud back to hard standing by a road .


It took 1/4 of a tank of fuel to fully recharge a totally discharge battery in just over 2.75 hrs. when petrol was 98 p a litre ( 40 litre tank? ) I won't be doing that again in a hurry not at todays prices
I did this whilst stuck in a traffic jam due to a messy RTI that closed the M4 for 4 hrs , just to see how long thing's took

 

[dobbslc]

various sensors tied to cameras check your vehicle for exhaust gas emissions & exhaust heat signature so computers & people can send you a fine if you're non compliant .

Do they really do this?
Money grabbing bastids if they do they should spend the money on fixing the roads!

Thanks for the reply, the range is JUST enough for the school run on a warm day.

 

[pressbrake1]

Isn't the battery being kept warm whilst the car is connected to the charger on a floating trickle ? That would explain a half discharged battery unconnected to the mains showing on it's displays that it's too cold to operate.

Yes electrical to chemical reaction has heat loss
And once running chemical to electrical isn’t 100% efficient so battery warms just like a cordless tool
Unfortunately Nissan made a very well made car but neglected thermal management

 

[DAPPH]

I think it's already being done in Birmingham central and within the M25 London with it coming to Liverpool , Newcastle & other cities fairly soon
See this link and note what it says about being fined for non compliance .

Low Emission Zones: what you need to know | RAC Drive

As air quality becomes more important, measures are being put in place to discourage polluting vehicles from entering areas where air quality is poor.

www.rac.co.uk

 

[Morrisman]

Of course in the snow skinny tyres are much better to bite through to the tarmac underneath. So you are quite right - there was a time I got stuck on a petrol station forecourt with the fat tyres not biting. An old Citroen 2cv with bicycle tyres had no problem at all

I saw a brand new Rangerover stuck on a totally flat grass field in the wet once. It simply sat there with all four wheels turning and going nowhere.

I was no better, in a front wheel drive Rover 800, but some lady in an old Landrover towed both of us to the road. That was at an agricultural show, so no shortage of tow vehicles around.

 

[fizzy]

I saw a brand new Rangerover stuck on a totally flat grass field in the wet once. It simply sat there with all four wheels turning and going nowhere.

I was no better, in a front wheel drive Rover 800, but some lady in an old Landrover towed both of us to the road. That was at an agricultural show, so no shortage of tow vehicles around.

I was once invited to a Land Rover event at Eastnor Castle. Amazing day out.
Driving the brand new Rangie on and off road. They said the offroad ones had standard road pattern tyres. Indeed they did - but on 235s v 275s for the ones we drove on the road

 

[mike os]

new rangerover on 22 inch rims and a 30 profile high performance road tyre......

 

[bricol]

I saw a brand new Rangerover stuck on a totally flat grass field in the wet once. It simply sat there with all four wheels turning and going nowhere.

I was no better, in a front wheel drive Rover 800, but some lady in an old Landrover towed both of us to the road. That was at an agricultural show, so no shortage of tow vehicles around.

Tyres are everything. And technique.

But tyres, pattern and pressure.

 

[fizzy]

Just saw a scary figure. At the moment the average house uses 9kw of electricity a day. With an electric car and a heat pump 50kw
How on Earth will they cope with those levels of demand in winter? Like adding an extra 100 million homes to the grid.