EV road tax

[premmington]

Even if EV is not superseded by some other fuel, battery and charging technology will render them obsolete long before 15 years

What is the lifespan of a mobile phone - before tech and upgrades render them useless...?

 

[not done it yet]

Even if EV is not superseded by some other fuel, battery and charging technology will render them obsolete long before 15 years

Chademo (Nissan Leaf, for instance) is still a reasonable charging option. Being phased out on new chargers but not dead yet. Charging facilities will outlast the cars, I expect - and still home charging sets for local usage, anyway.

Yes, there may be more advances, but DC current will still be the same, the now probably millions of CCS connections around the globe will not be phased out in a hurry. Less efficient, maybe, but not obsolete from the point of them not being available.

Try another. Try again. Not doing too well with your anti-EV ideas.

 

[Colin Barron]

What is the lifespan of a mobile phone - before tech and upgrades render them useless...?

A £900 iphone at a 6year life about £150 per year and about 0.2 kg of landfill.
Average EV 2000kg which is difficult/uneconomical to recycle, £35000 life expectancy 12 years, so about £3k per annum. Annual new loss is increased by manufacturers reducing the new price If an Iphone is looked after they are reliable they don't require maintenance. The promise on ev of cheap running (electric) has not materialised. There may be less parts on an ev but cheap servicing and repair has not happened yet. With manufacturers dropping new car prices the situation is even worse for Mr average new buyer who keeps a car for 2 or 3 years.

Chademo (Nissan Leaf, for instance) is still a reasonable charging option. Being phased out on new chargers but not dead yet. Charging facilities will outlast the cars, I expect - and still home charging sets for local usage, anyway.

Yes, there may be more advances, but DC current will still be the same, the now probably millions of CCS connections around the globe will not be phased out in a hurry. Less efficient, maybe, but not obsolete from the point of them not being available.

Try another. Try again. Not doing too well with your anti-EV ideas.

I did see a youtube video on a Ferrari electric drive conversion where they compared the charging system from 2 years previous. The new one was half the size and charged the car in a fraction of the time. Ev technology is still at the Ford model T stage compared to where it will be in 10 years time, that is unless someone comes up with something different.

 

[willie.macleod]

Chademo (Nissan Leaf, for instance) is still a reasonable charging option. Being phased out on new chargers but not dead yet. Charging facilities will outlast the cars, I expect - and still home charging sets for local usage, anyway.

Indeed, my Leaf has a type 1 connector and a chademo connector both of which would be deemed well out of date. I have a type 2 to type 1 adapter and all the rapids locally have chademo options, including 4 which are brand new. We are starting to see lightweight CCS-chademo adapters come onto the market opening up even more charging options.

 

[premmington]

A £900 iphone at a 6year life about £150 per year and about 0.2 kg of landfill.
Average EV 2000kg which is difficult/uneconomical to recycle, £35000 life expectancy 12 years, so about £3k per annum. Annual new loss is increased by manufacturers reducing the new price If an Iphone is looked after they are reliable they don't require maintenance. The promise on ev of cheap running (electric) has not materialised. There may be less parts on an ev but cheap servicing and repair has not happened yet. With manufacturers dropping new car prices the situation is even worse for Mr average new buyer who keeps a car for 2 or 3 years.

I did see a youtube video on a Ferrari electric drive conversion where they compared the charging system from 2 years previous. The new one was half the size and charged the car in a fraction of the time. Ev technology is still at the Ford model T stage compared to where it will be in 10 years time, that is unless someone comes up with something different.

I got 7yrs out of my last low spec (cheap) Samsung Smartphone - so I did well.

 

[Colin Barron]

I got 7yrs out of my last low spec (cheap) Samsung Smartphone - so I did well.

I would still be using a Nokia if my daughter had not suggested a Christmas Iphone upgrade for my wife a few years ago then my daughter upgraded so again the offer of cast offs.

 

[ukracer]

Chademo (Nissan Leaf, for instance) is still a reasonable charging option. Being phased out on new chargers but not dead yet. Charging facilities will outlast the cars, I expect - and still home charging sets for local usage, anyway.

Yes, there may be more advances, but DC current will still be the same, the now probably millions of CCS connections around the globe will not be phased out in a hurry. Less efficient, maybe, but not obsolete from the point of them not being available.

Try another. Try again. Not doing too well with your anti-EV ideas.

I think premmington summed it up best.

 

[premmington]

I think premmington summed it up best.

@ukracer - I not anti EV at all - I just am not a new car buyer - and the thought of used EV out of warranty - does not sit well with me.

But hold this thought - I would not have a newish Land Rover out of warranty either.

All I want is cheap - reliable motoring - I don't do many miles a year.

 

[Popcorn]

Still using my Nokia 6110 from '97......

 

[ukracer]

@ukracer - I not anti EV at all - I just am not a new car buyer - and the thought of used EV out of warranty - does not sit well with me.

But hold this thought - I would not have a newish Land Rover out of warranty either.

All I want is cheap - reliable motoring - I don't do many miles a year.

Sorry bud I was not meaning that you were anti EV.

I will also state I am not anti EV but like you have identified areas which don't sit right with me.
Charging is ill thought out. Battery life and cost is being hidden.

I would not buy land rover . 1 because if cost of spares and 2 price of insurance and steal ability.

I have had a 07 plate passat for a few years but recently took a loan out to get a car my Dad can get into as he needs driving round now. I now have a Tiguan. (Which apparently is a problem car)
But no way could I afford a loan for an EV or repairs out of warranty.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

All I want is cheap - reliable motoring - I don't do many miles a year.

I'm in the same boat...but I live in London where cheap reliable motoring just ain't possible anymore.

 

[Colin Barron]

I'm in the same boat...but I live in London where cheap reliable motoring just ain't possible anymore.

What do you mean by cheap?

 

[ajlelectronics]

I'm in the same boat...but I live in London where cheap reliable motoring just ain't possible anymore.

A nice classic, properly sorted would have you getting around reliably and with a lot more enjoyment. You could also stick two fingers up at Soddim as you sail past!

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

What do you mean by cheap?

I've been looking at classic Mercs...we bought a new EV but that's not for me to drive...I drive the 2nd car!

Back a few years ago I bought a 2003 with 80k on the clock (1 owner) XC70 for £2k...reckon the same car would now be asking £4k-5k.

To my eyes prices seem a bit nuts....maybe I'm just getting old...moaning about prices has to be a symptom for sure!

 

[Colin Barron]

I've been looking at classic Mercs...we bought a new EV but that's not for me to drive...I drive the 2nd car!

Back a few years ago I bought a 2003 with 80k on the clock (1 owner) XC70 for £2k...reckon the same car would now be asking £4k-5k.

To my eyes prices seem a bit nuts....maybe I'm just getting old...moaning about prices has to be a symptom for sure!

I have an xc70d5 manual 2006. 46000 miles now i bought it 3 years ago (26000 miles) for £9600. a really nice car to drive only downside is £400 road tax. My son was looking for a £1500 vw last year but what was £1500 is now 4 or 5k. ULES will end up everywhere in the not too distant future so he decided on a Volvo v40D4 2016, 71000 miles ules euro6, £0 road tax, cost £10,500. The benefit of buying old big Volvos is you don't need to weld the body.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

I have an xc70d5 manual 2006. 46000 miles now i bought it 3 years ago (26000 miles) for £9600

I had the V70 D5...lovely engines and good on diesel too...my XC70 was the 2.5t petrol..lovely drive but it had a serious drinking problem!

Warranty on our Hyundai (current car no1) is about to expire so it'll be rotated out of of the fleet...going to sell it and buy something that I can fix myself!

The Hyundai is fully loaded...with stuff that would be very expensive to fix WHEN it goes wrong!

 

[Colin Barron]

I had the V70 D5...lovely engines and good on diesel too...my XC70 was the 2.5t petrol..lovely drive but it had a serious drinking problem!

Warranty on our Hyundai (current car no1) is about to expire so it'll be rotated out of of the fleet...going to sell it and buy something that I can fix myself!

The Hyundai is fully loaded...with stuff that would be very expensive to fix WHEN it goes wrong!

My previous v70 1999 5 cylinder diesel was better than the d5 (2006) i had no engine problems apart from ac alternator and heater plugs. The D5 has had an injector and an exhaust recirculating valve/solenoid, maybe due to standing idle for long periods before i purchased it. 1999 had metered injection from the pump whereas the d5 is metered at the injector. Both are much better than the 740 vw 2.5l diesel 1996 which had mechanical injectors which were rubbish.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

My previous v70 1999 5 cylinder diesel was better than the d5

I'd really like an older v70...but not allowed anymore...shame because they were great cars.

 

[Red'n'Black]

Sorry bud I was not meaning that you were anti EV.

I will also state I am not anti EV but like you have identified areas which don't sit right with me.
Charging is ill thought out. Battery life and cost is being hidden.

I would not buy land rover . 1 because if cost of spares and 2 price of insurance and steal ability.

I have had a 07 plate passat for a few years but recently took a loan out to get a car my Dad can get into as he needs driving round now. I now have a Tiguan. (Which apparently is a problem car)
But no way could I afford a loan for an EV or repairs out of warranty.

A guy at work, who's of the same 'bangernomics' mindset as me, has bought his Mrs a 10 year old Leaf to do her 3-mile commute in. Seems ideal for that, range is quite a way down on when it was new but still perfectly usable. If it lasts another few years he'll have had his money's worth.

There are two main things that put me off.

I'm not averse to new gadgets. But I recognise they're bound to have a short lifespan before software bloat makes them completely unusable. That's part of the trade-off of having the hardware subsidised by Google. So I specifically don't want all the features of a smartphone, which will be obsolete in a few years, integrated with my car, or my TV, or my fridge. I expect them to last many times longer than that. In fairness, this gripe is equally true of new petrol cars.

The other one is the fragmented charging setup. I'm used to being able to take my car anywhere and be confident that even if I've never heard of the supplier before, I can turn up, refuel it, pay with cash or a bank card and go. Flat rate per mile which I can see before I even drive in, no subscriptions, apps or other vendor lockin involved.
I expect this situation will improve in time. I can see a lot of parallels with mobile phones, I didn't even consider having one before pay-as-you-go came in, for the same reasons.

 

[premmington]

A guy at work, who's of the same 'bangernomics' mindset as me, has bought his Mrs a 10 year old Leaf to do her 3-mile commute in. Seems ideal for that, range is quite a way down on when it was new but still perfectly usable. If it lasts another few years he'll have had his money's worth.

There are two main things that put me off.

I'm not averse to new gadgets. But I recognise they're bound to have a short lifespan before software bloat makes them completely unusable. That's part of the trade-off of having the hardware subsidised by Google. So I specifically don't want all the features of a smartphone, which will be obsolete in a few years, integrated with my car, or my TV, or my fridge. I expect them to last many times longer than that. In fairness, this gripe is equally true of new petrol cars.

The other one is the fragmented charging setup. I'm used to being able to take my car anywhere and be confident that even if I've never heard of the supplier before, I can turn up, refuel it, pay with cash or a bank card and go. Flat rate per mile which I can see before I even drive in, no subscriptions, apps or other vendor lockin involved.
I expect this situation will improve in time. I can see a lot of parallels with mobile phones, I didn't even consider having one before pay-as-you-go came in, for the same reasons.

Your quote "I'm used to being able to take my car anywhere and be confident that even if I've never heard of the supplier before, I can turn up, refuel it, pay with cash or a bank card and go. Flat rate per mile which I can see before I even drive in, no subscriptions, apps or other vendor lockin involved."

"Splash and dash"