EV road tax

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

What was that con out of interest? Not necessarily doubting, but I see comments like that but I don't recall any tax or other incentive for Diesel.

I was paid £2k to scrap my (perfectly good!) petrol to buy a diesel that now wouldn't qualify for ULEZ!....but the con was making us all believe that we were helping the planet by scrapping petrols to buy diesels!

Hence (unsurprisingly) you'll find a generation of drivers who are very sceptical when the gov says that EVs are the answer. I'd include myself in this group...personally I think PHEVs make far more sense together with carbon neutral liquid fuels. Maybe in 15 years I'll be proved right!

 

[dobbslc]

I've probably missed a few other things but as far as I know that's the way it is

This is the first two

I was paid £2k to scrap my (perfectly good!) petrol to buy a diesel that now wouldn't qualify for ULEZ!....but the con was making us all believe that we were helping the planet by buying a diesel!

Makes you angry doesn't it?

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Makes you angry doesn't it?

It does when it's quite clear that the wrong policies were/are being incentivised.

 

[m_c]

I was paid £2k to scrap my (perfectly good!) petrol to buy a diesel that now wouldn't qualify for ULEZ!....but the con was making us all believe that we were helping the planet by scrapping petrols to buy diesels!

Hence (unsurprisingly) you'll find a generation of drivers who are very sceptical when the gov says that EVs are the answer. I'd include myself in this group...personally I think PHEVs make far more sense together with carbon neutral liquid fuels. Maybe in 15 years I'll be proved right!

But the scrappage scheme didn't force you to buy a diesel. I know somebody who scrapped an old petrol Clio for a new petrol Clio.
And there wasn't really that much of an incentive for a private buyer to go diesel, other than most buyers simply seen the fuel economy and performance figures.

 

[Morris]

...personally I think PHEVs make far more sense together with carbon neutral liquid fuels. Maybe in 15 years I'll be proved right!

You won't. The government mandated solution is EV's. At a stroke this will kill any research into alternative fuels.

 

[aesmith]

But the scrappage scheme didn't force you to buy a diesel.

That makes sense. When I've dug back under most of these "they told us to buy a Diesel" comment they've turned really to be an incentive to improve economy or similar. Company car tax was a disincentive, with 3% loading for Diesel.

Either way I cant see buying Diesel as a bad move either then or now. Our "new" Diesel car cost me £1,700, does over 60mpg and has £20 road tax. But on my hobby horse of nobody caring about energy saving, my missus' company car, a 1980s Orion (Diesel of course) did 65 mpg.

 

[ukracer]

You won't. The government mandated solution is EV's. At a stroke this will kill any research into alternative fuels.

What will kill EV is the cost.
When you have sportage at 24k and similar spec skoda EV at 45k it's just not going to work.
Second hand is going to be a minefield with scrap batteries.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

But the scrappage scheme didn't force you to buy a diesel.

As I recall at the time they were pushing diesels as being more environmentally friendly mainly due to lower CO2...to help things along there was an incentive in terms of VED too which was biased towards cars with lower CO2 (ie diesels)...in fact plenty of older diesels still pay <£30 a year VED!!!

The scrappage £2k applied to a range of cars (petrols and diesels) but the way things were moving it seemed like diesels were the better choice....oh and there was a VAT discount too as I recall.

I don't think any of the above is particularly controversial...it's basically the way it happened...so not forced but very heavily incentivised just like EVs currently.

 

[Popcorn]

Watch these on YouTube and you'll see what the real costs are, this is the summary.

 

[aesmith]

Bit off topic....but I was trying to work out the absorption capacity of EVs....I reckon 20k cars can absorb something like 1GWh of electricity?

The peak power in the grid (google) is 70GWh...so that could maybe charge 8.5m cars assuming a 6hr off peak period. Seems like there's a reasonable amount of capacity available (or my maths is off!).

Do you mean GW, power, rather than GWh? There are around 30 million cars in the UK. If these were all EVs using an average of 2000kWh per year, for 8,000 miles, that would amount to an 18% increase in UK's annual electricity consumption. If 10% of those cars are on charge at once they'd be drawing 22GW.

I can't find it now but a strategy paper from one of the DNOs said their distribution network could cope with one EV charge per day, per five households.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Do you mean GW, power, rather than GWh?

Think I was using GWh to make it easier on my brain

 

[DAPPH]

But there are no massive long term health benefits. The UK is less than 1% of world wide pollution.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who are suffering from lung problems due to particulate inhalation . Many of out truck & other professional drivers drivers end up with bad health because of particulate pollution as they tend to be soaked in it for six or so hours a day because of their job.
I lost a good friend truckie who never smoked , rarely drank & didn't over eat , it was sadly disturbing to watch him slowly degrade & eventually die due to traffic pollution getting him .

 

[Farside]

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who are suffering from lung problems due to particulate inhalation . Many of out truck & other professional drivers drivers end up with bad health because of particulate pollution as they tend to be soaked in it for six or so hours a day because of their job.
I lost a good friend truckie who never smoked , rarely drank & didn't over eat , it was sadly disturbing to watch him slowly degrade & eventually die due to traffic pollution getting him .

Huh, tell me about it.
For eight years I was in and out of that Lunnon, looked like a coal miner half the time.

 

[DAPPH]

I had to spend three days in London on a Commission for Racial Equality & job induction course , the six shirts I took with me looked like chimney sweeps shirts by half time each day when I returned to the hotel for a shower & change of clothing.
Back home it was three days of coughing & hoiking up dirty grey gobbets of spit as well as dozens of whelk sized nose picks & a week of wheezing before things felt back to normalcy/

 

[addjunkie]

I had to spend three days in London on a Commission for Racial Equality & job induction course , the six shirts I took with me looked like chimney sweeps shirts by half time each day when I returned to the hotel for a shower & change of clothing.
Back home it was three days of coughing & hoiking up dirty grey gobbets of spit as well as dozens of whelk sized nose picks & a week of wheezing before things felt back to normalcy/

Your really selling the dirty week in London!

 

[not done it yet]

Watch these on YouTube and you'll see what the real costs are, this is the summary.

Yes, but any one stupid enough to believe what they did, was remotely sensible, deserves to be labelled a con-artist, like them and their you tube videos. Pure rubbish. Not remotely applicable to EV ownership, not applicable to the current climate changes going on - not actually applicable to anything if one has any understanding, at all, of conspiracy theorists and such clap-trap that pervades the internet.

 

[Popcorn]

Yeah a con lmao, watch the full series of videos starting in Scotland......Exactly the same problems a friend of mines had with his Porsche, the batteries packed up after 4 years and a 8k estimate to replace them. So he's sorted it by getting shut and buying a new Dodge.

 

[J1nx]

Geoff and his mate MacW*nker are parasites of YouTube imo, spouting utter rubbish with clickbait titles to garner views. Plenty of good videos on GazTube with balanced output to counter the two clowns fortunately.

 

[slim_boy_fat]

You forgot the BMW's

 

[Colin Barron]

Would that be the youtube video BMW with the largest battery towing a caravan, full charge to 25% charge in 95 miles. They had to disconnect the caravan to charge at motorway services. When leaving the service station they passed the vacant fuel pumps.